The Dark Parade

Bo: So those reports of signing stuff are then

Bo: maybe true.

Duncan: Well, this is Ennis.

Bo: Nobody ever really leaves.

Bo: Drop it, duncan.

Bo: And.

Duncan: Buck come correct.

Duncan: My er, my older brother, was talking about

Duncan: going to.

Duncan: He's never been to America and he quite

Duncan: fans.

Duncan: He'd go into New York in December for like

Duncan: Christmas and all the rest and I was like

Duncan: not this year.

Duncan: I was like if that was you, I'd avoid

Duncan: America for at least the next year, next

Duncan: year in a bit.

Duncan: I was like that post-election thing,

Duncan: whichever way it goes, there's gonna be

Duncan: fucking anarchist.

Bo: One way or the other.

Bo: Yes, it isit's going to be a real mess, but,

Bo: like you know I mean.

Duncan: Here's the thing Is if, if the Democrats

Duncan: lose, there's gonna be a lot of like yeah,

Duncan: they will like, they will accept the loss

Duncan: It'll be protests in the streets and

Duncan: marches and that kind of shit.

Bo: But that's gonna be kind of the extent of

Bo: it, yeah.

Duncan: A precedent has been set, though, both

Duncan: Right, that you can just like take up arms

Duncan: and erm, you know, the worst that'll happen

Duncan: is that'll take two, maybe three years and

Duncan: you'll do a little bit of time that someone

Duncan: will get you off with.

Bo: So yeah, that sounds sexy.

Bo: I like the sound of that.

Bo: I know, always, always, always, sexy Erm.

Bo: Sobut I speaking of stuff that Speaking

Bo: ofof the sex, no erm.

Bo: So I'm.

Bo: This is my spring break.

Bo: I'm off this week.

Duncan: Woo Spring break.

Bo: Man, I was so fucking tired, I was like I

Bo: was angry at the kids.

Bo: Uh, when I left, With some reason, With

Bo: somelike, it wasn't just like free-floating

Bo: anger.

Duncan: Yep, I do like the version where you get

Duncan: ready to go and just play the game and you

Duncan: know what your problem is.

Duncan: Man I was speaking of, you know what?

Bo: your problem is Steve.

Duncan: You're a real shitting kid, steve.

Bo: But I mean kind of, there are some real

Bo: shitty kids Ermuhlike.

Bo: The reason I was angry was, uh, it was the

Bo: day before spring break started and I was

Bo: like, hey, we're just gonna play a game and

Bo: I'll give you some bonus points.

Bo: It was like awe were playing Balder Dash.

Bo: Have you ever played that before?

Bo: Where you Well.

Duncan: I know what the term Balder Dash means.

Bo: It'sthere's also a variation that Jackbox

Bo: uses called Fibbage.

Bo: But it's basically.

Bo: You're given a real word Yep, that is kind

Bo: of kooky, right.

Bo: And then you make up a definition for it

Bo: and if you guess the right definition of

Bo: the word you get a point.

Bo: You also get points if people believe your

Bo: crazy definition yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay so

Bo: that'sthat's the game and we're having a

Bo: great time, up until sixth period, when one

Bo: of the kids just decides to be a real

Bo: asshole about everything and I'm like

Bo: you're fucking this up, like this whole

Bo: time we had a good thing going here.

Bo: Yeah, like you know how many times do the

Bo: words we're gonna take it easy today come

Bo: out of my mouth?

Bo: Never, fucking, never, because I'm like I

Bo: have a reputation for being kind of a hard

Bo: teacher.

Duncan: And I like that reputation.

Bo: Andbut anyway.

Bo: So sixth period was a bunch of assholes.

Bo: And then my seventh period was a bunch of

Bo: assholes too, and I discovered in between

Bo: that one of the kids had completely ripped

Bo: off the essay.

Bo: He turned in from another class and it

Bo: wasn't AI.

Bo: God bless him.

Bo: He didn't use AI, he just copied it from

Bo: somebody else.

Bo: The problem Good old-fashioned copy.

Bo: I love it, yeah, but the problem was that

Bo: class had an entirely different prompt for

Bo: their essay.

Bo: So when I read it, I'm like this is not

Bo: what your class was assigned.

Bo: So like it was just like this confluence of

Bo: events that really pissed me off.

Bo: And so when I walked out the door on Friday,

Bo: I was just like I was.

Bo: I was angry at the kids for pissing me off

Bo: because I was in such a good mood up until

Bo: the end of the day and I'm like a couple of

Bo: them really fucked it up for me, which you

Bo: know.

Bo: You're like I'm only human right, like I'm

Bo: not going to penalize the kids or anything,

Bo: but sometimes they piss you off, like you

Bo: have kids.

Bo: You know how it is.

Bo: Yes.

Bo: Every time you get a kid will just be kind

Bo: of shitty and you're like, you're being

Bo: kind of a shit and you're making life worse

Bo: for everyone around you right now.

Duncan: My eldest is like too smart for her own

Duncan: good, like at the moment, and she knows she

Duncan: knows she's smart.

Duncan: So the the rebuttals at the moment are from

Duncan: someone that thinks that sometimes she is

Duncan: right, but she forgets that I control

Duncan: everything.

Duncan: So I told her more than one to pick your

Duncan: fight wisely.

Duncan: Yes, like, because like this, this right

Duncan: now, even if you get the moral high ground

Duncan: at the end of this, one iPad is gone.

Duncan: You're not chatting to your friend Like I

Duncan: have.

Duncan: I wield that power right, I am the

Duncan: authoritarian state in this household, so

Duncan: we will do.

Duncan: Wield your words wisely next.

Bo: So yeah, yeah it.

Bo: But you know, again, short sightedness is

Bo: kind of part of the bag when you're talking

Bo: about kids that like we'll just shoot them.

Duncan: Time is nothing like turning your old, you

Duncan: know, I mean.

Bo: I have to remind myself every now and again,

Bo: like you know, this is a 14th of their life.

Bo: Yeah, I mean that's a lot and so.

Bo: So I have to like, yeah, I have to check

Bo: myself every now and again because you get

Bo: so frustrated, because you're like you dumb

Bo: shits, this is important because if you

Bo: don't know this stuff.

Bo: You're going to end up working a job that's

Bo: not going to pay you anything.

Bo: Yeah, and you're going to have to work

Bo: twice as hard or half as much.

Bo: And there's, this doesn't matter, I'm like

Bo: all right, I'll fucking see you the next

Bo: time.

Bo: I need my gutters cleaned, I guess.

Duncan: I tell you right now, one day, 15 years

Duncan: from now, you're going to be like I wish

Duncan: I'd just listened to that class at Mr

Duncan: Randall.

Duncan: Just follow these like that.

Duncan: You don't want to be a footnote in

Duncan: someone's kind of I wish I had have.

Duncan: Instead of yeah, yeah.

Bo: And you know, you talk to people like

Bo: there's, there's a guy that works as a

Bo: partner, that part of the maintenance staff

Bo: at the school, and one of the things he

Bo: says over and over again, like we talk

Bo: about a lot about just how the kids are,

Bo: like you know, they don't listen to shit

Bo: because they know everything.

Bo: And he's like I wish I could tell him.

Bo: He was like man, I didn't grow up wanting

Bo: to work at, you know, a high school

Bo: maintenance job.

Bo: He was like it's not terrible, but that's

Bo: not what I wanted to do.

Bo: Yeah, and he was like but I fucked around

Bo: and at a certain point and you just and

Bo: that's why they're the kids I'm like, look,

Bo: you have to start making decisions about

Bo: what your life is going to be, because

Bo: either you make those decisions or

Bo: something.

Bo: Yeah, yeah.

Duncan: But you know again, mostly falls on deaf

Duncan: ears.

Bo: You try to you try to impart a little

Bo: wisdom, but they're just like but I did,

Bo: like I had a right up a kid that the

Bo: asshole in six period told me that he

Bo: didn't, he didn't care about me or the game.

Bo: I could go fuck myself and I was like, all

Bo: right, cool, yeah, I mean I don't, like I

Bo: don't argue about him.

Bo: Like okay, yeah, I don't argue about him, I

Bo: don't argue about him.

Bo: I mean, I don't like, I don't argue about

Bo: him Like, okay, yeah, like I know where

Bo: this goes and what this means is.

Bo: You will be talking to an assistant

Bo: principal soon and, if I'm very lucky,

Bo: you're going to be gone for about four days,

Bo: which would be great, that would be great

Bo: for all of us.

Bo: But it's like you you talk about the power.

Bo: It's like, you can act out however you want,

Bo: but at a certain point you just get bounced

Bo: out of here.

Duncan: Yeah, that's literally what happens.

Bo: Yeah, so you know, keep it, keep it, the

Bo: fuck up.

Bo: That makes my life easier.

Bo: But over so over spring break, I got to

Bo: tell you another thing I did, yeah, so my

Bo: dog, because you know I go off to school

Bo: and I'm there for many hours and my dog has

Bo: a little bit of separation anxiety.

Bo: And I was talking to the vet about and the

Bo: vet was like hey, there's, there's kind of

Bo: two solutions for this.

Bo: Well, really three.

Duncan: One is you don't leave and that's not, you

Duncan: know, not feasible.

Bo: And the the second one is we give your dog

Bo: a medication, basically dope him up during

Bo: the day, and then comes and then right, and

Bo: the problem isn't giant, it's just he likes

Bo: to chew on pillows and shit like that.

Bo: He gets anxious and chews on shit, but no

Bo: cords or anything super valuable, Like

Bo: every now and again.

Bo: I got to replace a $20 Comforter but, but

Bo: he was like, so we dope him up, or he was

Bo: like but the downside of that is that he's

Bo: not going to be able to get a good reason.

Bo: He was like, but the downside of that is

Bo: you know, you're doping up your dog for no

Bo: good reason and you're not there, if

Bo: there's anything that goes wrong, and my

Bo: dog's a little bit older and blah, blah,

Bo: blah.

Bo: So he was like the final solution, not the

Bo: one you're thinking, the other solution did

Bo: his hands start to levitate up hey?

Bo: Pulling it down like strange love.

Bo: The final solution for your dog.

Duncan: All of a sudden I quieted and you have an

Duncan: access.

Bo: Yeah, it is quite a struggle with your dog,

Bo: I know.

Bo: I have struggles too.

Duncan: I brought them in this book.

Duncan: You may have read a bit.

Bo: But so anyway, the other solution was he

Bo: was like you can try getting another dog,

Bo: Cause he'll just keep him company.

Bo: And he was like, honestly, you've got a dog

Bo: and they're not them.

Bo: Like having two is really not an

Bo: exponential amount of work.

Duncan: Yeah, it's really not like that, like once

Duncan: you understand the effort of one dog.

Duncan: It's not like kids, once you understand the

Duncan: effort of one dog.

Duncan: Two dogs is not that much more More food.

Bo: Slightly more expensive, but you know.

Bo: So I've been auditioning dogs.

Duncan: Like you just Next.

Duncan: Yeah, Like if you get, if you get an

Duncan: audition dog you need to watch yourself.

Duncan: If it comes in, carry in a burlap sack, you

Duncan: get out of there.

Duncan: I was thinking more.

Duncan: Chorus, live like just sitting in a theater,

Duncan: hello honey Right Next.

Bo: I just I don't, I don't like the emotion on

Bo: the sleep Anyway, so, uh, so we've tried

Bo: dog number one, and I wanted to do this

Bo: while it was here for spring break.

Bo: So I had a few days to kind of spend with

Bo: the dog and I was like, yeah, cause it's

Bo: not just Johnson, but there's the cat and

Bo: you know, let's make sure that's not a

Bo: nightmare and that it's not pissing,

Bo: shitting all over the place and that.

Bo: And uh, so dog number one um kind of came

Bo: out of nowhere and cause I was planning on

Bo: doing this actually over the summer and

Bo: then like kind of a friend of a friend from

Bo: school was like hey, I know some people who

Bo: are giving away this beautiful, beautiful

Bo: dog Lab.

Bo: would you be interested?

Bo: I was like I was going to kind of wait but

Bo: I am all for the next few days and that

Bo: might work out.

Bo: So in comes Remy, the chocolate lab for

Bo: Remy.

Bo: I love it and and she's beautiful and sweet

Bo: and like.

Bo: It's like having a little Tasmanian devil

Bo: loose.

Bo: I love it.

Bo: She is just knocking shit over.

Bo: Things are falling off walls, like it was.

Bo: It was fun to have her, but it was also

Bo: like this is not the energy I'm looking for.

Bo: Yeah, she's, yeah, she's a lot, um.

Bo: So Remy goes back and then she's like I'm

Bo: going to go back and I'm like what, what?

Duncan: is this.

Bo: I'm like I'm going to go back and I'm like

Bo: okay, I'm going to go back and I'm like I'm

Bo: going to go back and I'm like I'm going to

Bo: go back and I'm like, okay, so Remy goes

Bo: back, and then we're on dog number two now.

Duncan: Hmm.

Bo: Dog number two is his is named cash Yep and

Bo: so cash, it's cash.

Duncan: It's cash.

Duncan: Tangled she's too.

Duncan: That's the flopping, the plans Did you go?

Bo: for plans.

Bo: Yes, cause when I'm, when I'm thinking is

Bo: as soon as I I like I go to check check out

Bo: the dog.

Bo: Yesterday and as soon as I see the name

Bo: cause it like I went to a shelter and there

Bo: were like three different dogs that look

Bo: like they could be good fits and I wanted

Bo: to introduce my dog to them and see how

Bo: that goes.

Bo: And um, so cash was dog number one.

Bo: Johnson and cash get along pretty well,

Bo: like they're kind of indifferent to one

Bo: another, but it's like, okay, that's fine.

Bo: Um and uh, so cash is coming home, but the

Bo: entire time I knew I was, I was going to

Bo: hang out with this dog cash, and I'm

Bo: thinking of, you know, tango cash.

Duncan: And I like.

Bo: So I'm thinking.

Bo: Well, clearly, cash is not his real name.

Bo: Yeah, the real name of the dog in my head

Bo: is Mary and waggetty, and everyone calls

Bo: him cash.

Bo: I'm so glad you found it as funny as I did,

Bo: Cause I was fucking delighted.

Bo: Duncan, I'm glad you found it.

Bo: I've caught myself because and he's been

Bo: mostly really good, but the couple of times

Bo: that you know he sniffed something and

Bo: acted like he was going to pee on it or

Bo: something.

Bo: Like waggetty, like I'm the chief, you know,

Bo: and it's, it's pretty fun, yeah, so he is

Bo: currently lying by my feet and really

Bo: stinking up the joint because he hasn't had

Bo: his bath yet, um, and he, he smells like

Bo: the fucking pound, um, but he's a, he's a

Bo: real sweetheart of a dog.

Bo: Um, he's.

Bo: He's still freaked out a little bit, of

Bo: course, so, um, you know, we're working on

Bo: the cat thing, but other than that, he's

Bo: been a real dream.

Bo: So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bo: So it seems like and I was a little worried

Bo: because on the way out they were like, well,

Bo: we've had a little trouble with this one,

Bo: yeah, and they were like, well, he likes

Bo: guns, um, they're, they're like, well, he's

Bo: not good with little kids.

Bo: I'm like that's fine, I don't have any of

Bo: those.

Bo: And they were like well, and and he kind of

Bo: got into it with a dog at another house and

Bo: and he's been fine with Johnson, and so

Bo: that hasn't been a problem.

Bo: And just keep an eye on it and whatnot.

Bo: But so far, so far, so good.

Bo: I got like a two week trial period with

Bo: this dog so I can take him back for a full

Bo: refund.

Duncan: I like how you increased the volume of

Duncan: saying that when you knew it was at his

Duncan: feet.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, that's right, buddy, you can go

Bo: back anytime.

Bo: I don't even have to have a good reason, I

Bo: can just take him back, Um.

Duncan: Oh dear.

Bo: I like it.

Bo: Uh, I think I told you this, but a buddy of

Bo: mine, uh, for my birthday got me that cover

Bo: of national lamp.

Bo: Not the cover, but the whole magazine the

Bo: one with the dog on it.

Bo: And literally it's hanging up in my bedroom

Bo: and last night the dog is is in there and

Bo: looks at that picture and I was like I

Bo: don't.

Bo: Obviously it's a dog and probably is not

Bo: making any sort of association, but in my

Bo: head it's another.

Bo: Like oh fuck, what the this guy got

Bo: pictures like guns pointed dogs later and

Bo: he like what kind of kind of fucked up

Bo: situation am I in right now?

Bo: Am I in a hostel?

Duncan: My, uh, my pug used to a ration, In fact

Duncan: still does it rationally bark.

Duncan: When black people were on the TV and I

Duncan: started a true story, I started Googling is

Duncan: my pug?

Duncan: And I put the, put the R and it all

Duncan: connected to racist.

Duncan: Sure, Um, like straight away, Um, and I

Duncan: haven't been able to work out why.

Duncan: But but then it did occur to me pugs come

Duncan: in two different colors, like that kind of

Duncan: fawny color or black.

Duncan: So I wonder if he sees that and associates

Duncan: it as a punk or or just you know he either

Duncan: that or he is also, and we are then like

Duncan: worshipers of the final solution.

Duncan: I don't know what are the two he might be

Duncan: full on.

Bo: But when he's moving around the room is it

Bo: like little goose steps, Little corgi goose

Bo: steps.

Duncan: Yeah, he does.

Duncan: He does kind of like a poor comes up in

Duncan: front and then like that when he's walking.

Bo: Yeah, yes, I just a real Chris March, which

Bo: you don't normally see in a pug.

Bo: So, anyway, this is done.

Bo: You're welcome, correct?

Bo: We're talking about the finale, duncan, the

Bo: final episode of true detective, season

Bo: four.

Bo: What is a?

Bo: Lopez has visited upon us.

Duncan: Yeah, like ours, I like to call it the

Duncan: episode that broke the Internet.

Bo: You know.

Bo: So this is the lowest rated of all the

Bo: episodes.

Bo: If you look at IMTB, which seems fucking

Bo: crazy to me, yeah it's the lowest rated in

Bo: terms of like people rating online.

Duncan: Yeah, it's the highest watched episode of

Duncan: true detective ever.

Duncan: Sure, yeah, like this, this, like, if you,

Duncan: if you want break it down, there's a lot of

Duncan: people confused as to why it's a Lopez has

Duncan: been given another season of true detective

Duncan: out with the fact that I think she nailed

Duncan: this, and you have to take into account

Duncan: that every single episode week on week

Duncan: collected 15% more viewers over its entire

Duncan: six episodes.

Duncan: Oh, wow, that's impressive that it's like

Duncan: if you break down the, if you break down

Duncan: the numbers, it's a 10 to 15% increase in

Duncan: viewership per episode.

Duncan: That's not overall for the season as per

Duncan: episode.

Duncan: That's nuts.

Duncan: So, yeah, like they locked her in ASAP.

Duncan: Well, that's why that news dropped.

Duncan: What we were talking about on the previous

Duncan: recording, like it was like the finale came

Duncan: out and then two days later it was like

Duncan: she's coming back for another season and I

Duncan: was like that seems a bit quick.

Duncan: And then I did a bit reading the numbers

Duncan: and if you are HBO or Max or whatever

Duncan: they're called now, you lock that down now

Duncan: Because no TV show does that week on week.

Duncan: Well, that's almost unheard of, especially

Duncan: in an anthology terms.

Duncan: Even things like American Horror Story,

Duncan: when it was at its peak, zenith didn't do

Duncan: that.

Duncan: As a TV show carries on, you lose viewers

Duncan: or people forget, or they'll catch up with

Duncan: it in a couple of weeks.

Duncan: I'll bank the episodes or whatever.

Duncan: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Duncan: This 10 to 15% week on week, it's the

Duncan: highest watched episode.

Duncan: The true detective was the finale, but that

Duncan: appears to have come with a little bit

Duncan: internet backlash.

Bo: Well, and you know, for my money.

Bo: I mean, obviously we're going to be getting

Bo: deep, deep into this episode, but deep,

Bo: deep.

Bo: But you know it's a Lopez, I thought,

Bo: pulled off a really neat trick, which is

Bo: use all the stuff from the first season

Bo: that people found fascinating and did the

Bo: deep dives on.

Bo: I do that part of it, but also do these

Bo: like clever.

Bo: You know little winky nods to horror movies

Bo: and then tell your own story and like she

Bo: did all of those things in a way that I

Bo: found really fun and satisfying and

Bo: interesting.

Bo: Yeah, I mean, that's tough.

Duncan: Yeah, there's one or two things that I

Duncan: thought were like clearly clumsy shoe horns

Duncan: from from the first season, specifically in

Duncan: this last episode where I was like right,

Duncan: okay, but I to me, if you, if you do, if

Duncan: you do a little bit of reading on it.

Duncan: And basically and I mentioned this in the

Duncan: first episode that we reviewed she went

Duncan: into HBO with a pitch for a TV show called

Duncan: Night Country and they said we'll love it.

Duncan: How about True Detective, night Country?

Duncan: And apparently she said at the time what's

Duncan: a true detective?

Duncan: And they were like aha, and she went away,

Duncan: she watched season one, she fucking loved

Duncan: season one, and then rewrote the script and

Duncan: put, like you know, put bits in that would

Duncan: kind of give a I think it is less.

Duncan: I look at it, more of it's trying to ground

Duncan: it in the same universe, rather than this

Duncan: is a direct continuation or being joined.

Duncan: I think the comparisons are the things that

Duncan: tie the stuff together is done in a way

Duncan: where I don't think it's egregiously saying

Duncan: you need to pay it, like we mentioned this

Duncan: before, like if you watched season one of

Duncan: True Detective I mentioned at the time,

Duncan: like clearly says that the Russian cold did

Duncan: not die of you know leukemia or whatever it

Duncan: was.

Duncan: He didn't have that.

Duncan: He never had that disease.

Duncan: Yet in season four he had that disease.

Duncan: Tuttle was a smaller regional thing in

Duncan: season one.

Duncan: It's a conglomerate in season four.

Duncan: So it's using terminology, but it's like

Duncan: even the spirals.

Duncan: The spirals go a different way in this

Duncan: season.

Duncan: So it's almost like a mirror of that.

Duncan: And you can go one step further and say

Duncan: season one is in the Texas sun, you know,

Duncan: it's warm, it's humid and all the rest, and

Duncan: this one is vastly dark and cold.

Duncan: It's like it's almost a mirror image and as

Duncan: a result, if you take it that way, the

Duncan: hints of things more horror or esoteric in

Duncan: season one are far more predominant in

Duncan: their horror, and so it's almost like the

Duncan: mirror image of it.

Duncan: So, from that point of view, the fact that

Duncan: two women instead of two guys, like, if you

Duncan: let you go, you go down that road.

Duncan: You want to go one step further, one step

Duncan: even further than that.

Duncan: Who saves the day?

Duncan: This, the women that are wronged so like

Duncan: it's almost a mirror image of season one in

Duncan: a lot of respects.

Duncan: And I think, people, I think there's two

Duncan: things that we need to kind of take into

Duncan: account when talking about tree detective

Duncan: and I think it's more evident now that Nick

Duncan: Pizzalato is no longer there and I think,

Duncan: once we, once we grasp this and understand

Duncan: this, I think, like you either are on board

Duncan: or you're not and the thing I think we need

Duncan: to take into account is there are some

Duncan: people that cannot see past season one and

Duncan: will never be able to see past season one,

Duncan: and that's fine.

Duncan: Season one is an incredible season of

Duncan: television, arguably one of the best ever

Duncan: made.

Duncan: Like, front to back, it's just absolutely

Duncan: incredible.

Duncan: But they can't see past that, right?

Duncan: So like, if it's not season one, then it's.

Duncan: You know, it's a mockery of the name, right?

Duncan: They don't understand what an anthology is,

Duncan: right, there's that.

Duncan: And then there's the other part, which is.

Duncan: I think there's a lot of people out there

Duncan: that did not want this to succeed, because

Duncan: they see this as and my eyes will almost

Duncan: roll in the back of my head and not come

Duncan: back as some sort of woke agenda TV show,

Duncan: because it's all about female empowerment

Duncan: and all the rest, and I think, if that's

Duncan: your read from this when you come away at

Duncan: the end, you are a lazy, lazy, lazy person.

Bo: Yeah, and not understanding that the

Bo: characters in this show are deeply flawed,

Bo: like there's not a hero to be found.

Bo: I mean, there is but it's not like they're

Bo: not like we've got girl power, we can solve

Bo: this.

Bo: It's like they're doing it for their like

Bo: the most human of reasons.

Duncan: Yeah, this is, this is haunted them Like.

Duncan: This is like an actual physical haunting,

Duncan: as opposed to the kind of esoteric content

Duncan: that's in the show.

Duncan: Well, it's a little bit said in an

Duncan: interview kind of post this show coming out,

Duncan: that she wanted to highlight the fact that

Duncan: indigenous women and there's plenty of

Duncan: cases of stories now or everywhere

Duncan: Indigenous women can be murdered, they can

Duncan: be raped, they can phone for help from law

Duncan: authorities and they are completely, they

Duncan: are unseen, they are disregarded.

Duncan: And I think she pulled off maybe arguably

Duncan: the greatest master stroke ever in this TV

Duncan: show by making the most obvious prominent

Duncan: candidates in this one and this season the

Duncan: killers that even the audience disregards

Duncan: all the way right through.

Duncan: We spoke about this in the second episode

Duncan: where I'm like the you know the fingerprint

Duncan: thing, missing fingers, and we're like,

Duncan: yeah, but I would, that was parked and we

Duncan: went off in this.

Duncan: We went off on the fucking, the red wave

Duncan: conspiracy of you know, maybe it's this,

Duncan: maybe it's that be like all done, all these

Duncan: roads and ultimately, when it swings back

Duncan: around to give you its answer, she, she,

Duncan: she hit the nail on the head Like she gave

Duncan: you the most plausible explanation of all

Duncan: really, and it worked.

Duncan: There's a couple of things she's left

Duncan: spooky and I kind of love that about it and

Duncan: I very much am looking forward to see what

Duncan: she does when writing truly a true

Duncan: detective TV show moving forward and not a

Duncan: story that she's caught in true detective

Duncan: into, and that's what I'll say upfront.

Duncan: I thought this landed really really well,

Duncan: so much so that I would rank this as my

Duncan: second favorite no, sorry, third favorite

Duncan: season of true detective.

Bo: This is probably my second favorite season

Bo: overall, nice.

Bo: I really.

Bo: I was talking to a friend at work about

Bo: this, the finale in particular, and she

Bo: kind of summed up, I think, how I felt

Bo: about it, which was I enjoyed the finale so

Bo: much it made me like the rest of the season

Bo: even more.

Duncan: It ties it all in yes, and it was not in a

Duncan: way where it ties it all in and not in a

Duncan: way where you're like, oh yeah, that was

Duncan: the guy that was cutting the lawn, like

Duncan: they do.

Duncan: I forget that every single time that you

Duncan: see him like really early on and he's a

Duncan: back, it's a Scooby Doo thing, you know

Duncan: what I mean?

Duncan: Like you see, like the lighthouse keeper

Duncan: right at the beginning, and then you see

Duncan: him at the end when he's unmasked, or the

Duncan: Jello thing.

Duncan: I mentioned Jello because I've not

Duncan: mentioned it in a while.

Duncan: The Jello thing of it's the character you

Duncan: walked past right at the beginning, like

Duncan: it's that way where it's in front of your

Duncan: face but it's inconsequential, so you

Duncan: disregard it, and then you go in for the

Duncan: big conspiracy, which is far sexier, and

Duncan: then the ultimate reveal is the thing that

Duncan: makes the most logical sense.

Bo: We were asking the wrong questions, duncan

Bo: we weren't in.

Duncan: That was even the.

Bo: I was like oh, I know it was so good.

Bo: It's all a sweet spot.

Duncan: Fosster, by the way, is like hands down,

Duncan: fucking incredible in this episode, like

Duncan: she's given awards.

Bo: She's got a delivery and I've got.

Bo: We'll talk about when we get to that point

Bo: my notes.

Bo: But there is one delivery that she has in

Bo: this.

Bo: That is maybe my favorite Jodie Foster

Bo: delivery ever.

Duncan: She is like just a crock like the whole,

Duncan: the whole arc of her character, not even

Duncan: just in the whole season.

Duncan: Just this episode is chef's kiss.

Duncan: Yeah, it is phenomenal.

Duncan: I was reading, I was reading the like.

Duncan: I've been reading uploads on this.

Duncan: People go that, you know, you know.

Duncan: And surprisingly, Jodie Foster I'm like

Duncan: she's got a fucking Oscar.

Duncan: I mean what we're doing here?

Bo: Don't call it a comeback.

Bo: Like Jodie Foster has been legit.

Bo: Have you ever seen a fucking panic room?

Duncan: Like across the boat, like she does not

Duncan: phone it in.

Duncan: Yes, she's been in some shitty movies.

Duncan: I'm looking at you, elysium, like she's

Duncan: been in some shitty movies but she's never

Duncan: say.

Duncan: Like she always commits to the role and

Duncan: when you hear once again from the reading

Duncan: and all the rest, like Jodie Foster, like

Duncan: had specific views on how she wanted to

Duncan: play this character and one of them was she

Duncan: wanted to age the character.

Duncan: This character was supposed to be younger

Duncan: and she wanted her more age, time, weather,

Duncan: grizzled, narrowed and all the rest.

Duncan: Like she, I think she may have also added

Duncan: the alcoholism in there as well as an

Duncan: element to the character that she brought

Duncan: to the table, which, once again, it's a

Duncan: low-pes Well done.

Duncan: Like you're listening to Jodie Foster,

Duncan: academy Award winning Jodie Foster and her

Duncan: comments on a character and incorporating

Duncan: that in it's just ah well, I mean, there's

Duncan: a reason that you hire Jodie Foster and

Duncan: it's not so that you can tell her how to do

Duncan: her job.

Bo: No no no, no, yes, you have been doing this.

Bo: You've been playing this game for 50 years

Bo: now.

Bo: Yeah, you know what the fuck you're doing.

Bo: What do you think this character needs?

Bo: Great, let's do that.

Bo: Let's do that.

Bo: You know and her instincts are right, like

Bo: this is one.

Bo: Her character is one of my favorite

Bo: characters.

Bo: I think it anything ever.

Bo: I just I love.

Bo: I love how flawed she is and how, yeah, I

Bo: just love everything about it.

Bo: I like I love the fact that she she is

Bo: fighting for a thing because that's what

Bo: there is to do, yeah, and and she fucks it

Bo: up a lot, but she keeps at it and there's

Bo: something like noble about the character.

Bo: Like from the first episode it's like, oh,

Bo: she's going to be like almost the Sherlock

Bo: Holmes kind of character.

Bo: It's like, well, yeah, if Sherlock Holmes

Bo: had a weird sex addiction and was alcoholic

Bo: and has this horrible relationship with her

Bo: daughter and is haunted, yeah, I mean, it's

Bo: just like she's the embodiment of the, the

Bo: line in the episode where she says was it,

Bo: you'd be surprised what?

Duncan: you'd be surprised what humans can overcome,

Duncan: or you'd be surprised what a person can

Duncan: live through, yeah, yeah.

Duncan: Like she is the embodiment of that as a

Duncan: character Like, and why she's saying it

Duncan: like preach.

Bo: And and.

Bo: So we start like we'll, we'll, again, we'll,

Bo: we'll get into this a minute, but you know

Bo: we're just champing at the beat, yeah.

Duncan: Like it's too difficult, not to it's too

Duncan: difficult not.

Bo: To.

Duncan: You're going to ask me what my good is.

Duncan: I have not watched anything bad.

Duncan: My good is Jun two, which is like, hands

Duncan: down, a sci-fi masterpiece as fucking

Duncan: unreal Okay.

Bo: I second I think you said June two and I

Bo: was like what was June?

Duncan: No, june two is July, so that's what that's.

Duncan: It's June, squared I guess you're right.

Duncan: Yeah, doon to Denis Villeneuve, return on

Duncan: to close out the second half of the first

Duncan: book of June.

Duncan: And like, somehow, like proving, I think

Duncan: without a shadow of a doubt now, that he's

Duncan: the finest science fiction director of the

Duncan: last 50 years.

Duncan: This is, this is the murderers row.

Duncan: This guy has now been on is arrival Blade

Duncan: Runner 2049, june and June two.

Duncan: And like it's like, and this one is the

Duncan: most like, austin taste.

Duncan: This is the very definition of blockbuster.

Duncan: It is, it looks gorgeous, it's the hands of

Duncan: our score Maybe my favorite hands of our

Duncan: score the visual effects, the storytelling.

Duncan: Christopher walking plays the emperor,

Duncan: emperor, and he's he's like.

Duncan: You know, like he's Christopher walking.

Duncan: He's not trying to play, he's Christopher

Duncan: walking.

Duncan: He's like when fucking Alexander the Great

Duncan: is played by Sean Connery in time bandits,

Duncan: and you're like.

Duncan: He's like hello, I'm Alexander.

Duncan: And you're like no, you're supposed to be

Duncan: Greek, and he's not.

Duncan: No more worlds to conquer.

Duncan: It's like it's that way where he, where he

Duncan: appears, you just like oh, this is Jim.

Duncan: Yeah, it is absolutely jaw droppingly good

Duncan: and it's going to make all the money.

Duncan: I think this is the one that's going to.

Duncan: I think this is the one that is just going

Duncan: to mean that a Denis Villeneuve can do

Duncan: anything he wants for the rest of his

Duncan: career.

Duncan: Like it's holds I think it still holds the

Duncan: highest rating on IMDB ever given as

Duncan: dethroned Shawshank redemption.

Duncan: Oh wow.

Duncan: And that's literally to meet someone who

Duncan: has not come out of it and said that was

Duncan: incredible, Until now Duncan yeah.

Duncan: I'm actually going to see it on Saturday

Duncan: and I'm excited because oh yeah it's just

Duncan: like there is a scene where there's a

Duncan: section in the movie where you go to the

Duncan: hard corner in homeworld and you're

Duncan: introduced to what is the name of that?

Bo: planning again Lito prime.

Bo: No, that's the tradies.

Bo: I can't.

Bo: It's got a cool name and I can't remember

Bo: the name.

Duncan: Well then it go to anyway, and it's

Duncan: monochrome.

Duncan: Oh, it's just black and white.

Duncan: The whole thing shot black and white.

Bo: Oh, that's fucking crazy.

Duncan: What a great idea.

Bo: So it's so like, the idea being that the

Bo: the atmosphere filters out all kind of no

Bo: idea.

Duncan: You want to fucking explain it and I just

Duncan: sat there and, like my jaw was on the

Duncan: ground, got that right.

Duncan: This is like a like we're going to like

Duncan: once we step out into the sun.

Duncan: It's going to know the shot, using it, does

Duncan: x-ray something I can't remember.

Duncan: There was a big piece on how he he shot I

Duncan: using this technique that you don't usually

Duncan: see and, yeah, the whole scene as you're

Duncan: introduced to is nephew, who was played by

Duncan: sting, and the original one who's played by

Duncan: the did that played Elvis in that Elvis

Duncan: movie, austin and he's introduced and at

Duncan: this point, and the whole planet, like

Duncan: there's a huge empathy or thing where fight.

Duncan: That just is fucking like.

Duncan: You're sitting watching this and you're

Duncan: just like what wait, how did we?

Duncan: What did we?

Duncan: How did it go?

Duncan: Fucking, head explodes everywhere, john.

Duncan: Next, next level, next level storytelling.

Duncan: Getty prime is the yeah, that's the plan.

Bo: Yeah, that's great.

Bo: What a great idea that's.

Bo: That's fucking cool.

Duncan: I will tell you no more about it, but I

Duncan: will say this you will fucking love it.

Bo: I look, you know we've talked about doing

Bo: before, but that much like zodiac, that is

Bo: just a movie that I can throw on and I just

Bo: wallow in.

Bo: Yeah, and it's wonderful.

Bo: I love all the nooks and crannies of it.

Bo: It's just like now I just want to watch

Bo: zodiac again.

Duncan: I'll probably watch zodiac tonight.

Duncan: But I have nothing else I want to bring to

Duncan: the conversation to you as really kind of

Duncan: preoccupied.

Duncan: Pretty much all of my times in the watch

Duncan: now it's just been like this is yeah, yeah.

Bo: So my good is actually a book.

Bo: Oh, I, just a while back I finished this,

Bo: but I want to bring it up again because

Bo: it's so fucking good.

Bo: But, it's a book called Boys in the Valley

Bo: by an author named Philip Frikasi, f R A C

Bo: A S S I, who had never heard of before,

Bo: never read anything by the guy before but

Bo: this is one of my favorite horror novels

Bo: I've read in some time and I usually I try

Bo: to read about two a month, yeah, and anyway

Bo: it's.

Bo: It's a little bit evil dead, it's a little

Bo: bit exorcist and it's a little bit See, if

Bo: you see country I'm out.

Bo: So the premise is it's in like turn, turn

Bo: of the 20th century, so like like early

Bo: 1900s, and it's a Franciscan run or a

Bo: priest run orphanage just out on the

Bo: prairie, you know, kind of a little bit

Bo: away from town, and one night as the snow

Bo: comes in Duncan, some guy shows up with,

Bo: you know, in custody of the police, wounded,

Bo: gravely wounded, and the guy should be dead

Bo: by all accounts, I bet by everyone looking

Bo: at him.

Bo: They're like this dude should be fucking

Bo: dead and he's not.

Bo: And then finally he does die, but only

Bo: after like saying some shit about priests

Bo: and then expiring in a way that knocks like

Bo: a crucifix off the wall and stuff like that.

Bo: And so that's kind of the beginning of it.

Bo: And then a bunch of the kids at the

Bo: orphanage start to act pretty weird and so

Bo: you get this kind of siege moment where

Bo: there are a bunch of these you know orphans

Bo: and you know how I love a good killer

Bo: orphan, but there are a bunch of killer

Bo: orphans running around like being evil and

Bo: shit and a few survivors trying to survive

Bo: this.

Bo: But it's just.

Bo: It's so well written, it's so much fun.

Bo: It's kind of mean spirited.

Bo: Even the end is dark in a way that is

Bo: satisfying without being completely

Bo: nihilistic.

Bo: Anyway, it's super good.

Bo: Eventually somebody will make a bad movie

Bo: of it, but the book is.

Bo: I'm telling you right now, go check out the

Bo: book Boys in the Valley.

Bo: It's.

Bo: It's scary, it's fun, it's thrilling, like

Bo: it's one of those like real page turner

Bo: kinds of books and and was a tremendous

Bo: amount of fun.

Bo: So that's my good for the week.

Bo: I know you said you didn't have anything

Bo: bad, but let me look, I'll take care of

Bo: this, duncan, because I saw Aquaman too.

Bo: Why would you even put yourself through

Bo: that?

Bo: You know, so I'll tell you.

Bo: The reason is is because I'm like, hey,

Bo: this is the last hurrah of that DCEU stuff.

Bo: You know, like the flashes out, aquaman too

Bo: is kind of the last like post James Gunn or

Bo: pre James Gunn DC stuff that you're going

Bo: to get.

Bo: And so it's just curious, like, how do they,

Bo: how are they going to send this out?

Bo: And it turns out with a big wet fart

Bo: because nobody cared.

Bo: And James Wan directing again, which is

Bo: interesting I'm glad he's making his big

Bo: nut.

Bo: And there are moments where it's like, oh,

Bo: this feels like a James Wan kind of thing,

Bo: because this little thing is kind of creepy

Bo: or weird or whatever.

Bo: But it's just, it's.

Bo: It is the most tired ass tired superhero

Bo: shit which, at this point, like that's,

Bo: that alone is tired.

Bo: And this is a tired version of that.

Bo: And it's yeah, it was.

Bo: I fell asleep for a good 20 minutes of that

Bo: during the runtime and woke up and I was

Bo: like I clearly miss nothing, because this

Bo: is, we're just doing more of the same dumb

Bo: shit.

Bo: It's, yeah, it's.

Bo: It's just a real bad movie.

Bo: I'm glad, whatever the new DC stuff is

Bo: going to be, I'm sure it's going to be more

Bo: in the vein of like Suicide Squad the James

Bo: Gunn Suicide Squad which is fun and I and I

Bo: imagine, like the Superman will be more

Bo: earnest and a little more like oh gee,

Bo: christopher Reeves, superman, which is fine,

Bo: like all of that is fine, but honestly, who

Bo: could give a fuck?

Bo: Like, who could care at this point?

Bo: And I go into is the thing that reminded me

Bo: like, oh, I just don't care about any of

Bo: this anymore and I need to never watch it

Bo: again.

Duncan: I did love them.

Duncan: There was a, there was an article it was

Duncan: towards the end of last year where they

Duncan: were saying that superhero movies were

Duncan: underperforming and they couldn't quite

Duncan: work out why.

Duncan: And I was like that because it's four

Duncan: movies a year, every year to the last

Duncan: almost 20 years, I mean audiences will

Duncan: eventually why is horror movie?

Duncan: Because it is different, is one and done

Duncan: for the most part Needless sequels is

Duncan: rising from the grave much like a zombie.

Duncan: I mentioned this, I think, on the last

Duncan: recording.

Duncan: Why on earth anyone thinks it's a good idea

Duncan: to invest money in a black phone to is

Duncan: beyond me.

Duncan: Just give money a different director to

Duncan: make something else that Joe hell's written

Duncan: Like.

Duncan: What would what we do here like?

Bo: It's like slap like from the creators of

Bo: the black phone all over it and like, oh, I

Bo: like that movie.

Bo: Let me go to this other movie, 100% like

Bo: that.

Bo: That's how you get me into the cinema, or

Bo: even smile to where I'm like.

Bo: You know what smile was?

Bo: I really like smile.

Bo: I had a great time with it.

Bo: Don't need a sequel.

Duncan: Yeah, one and done.

Duncan: Yeah, why do we need to?

Duncan: Why do we need something that will not be

Duncan: as good as the thing that we just have?

Duncan: Enough in there that make you remember why

Duncan: you enjoyed the first movie Also why you

Duncan: don't enjoy this one?

Bo: Well, fuck all that noise, duncan, let's

Bo: get into.

Bo: Let's get into detect.

Bo: That's why we're here, that's what we're

Bo: here for it and.

Duncan: Longest ever episode of true detective, and

Duncan: I will say this and to when it comes to

Duncan: talking about this episode.

Duncan: Actually, I don't think we're going to be

Duncan: talking for nearly as long as we've talked

Duncan: about some of the other episodes, I agree.

Duncan: I agree Straight down to business, straight

Duncan: line storytelling.

Bo: So Very much.

Bo: It does like there are.

Bo: There are some things along the way that

Bo: we'll definitely need to dig into you, but

Bo: for the most part, this is like hey, we are

Bo: getting answers to the to the questions

Bo: that have been posed.

Bo: Yes, and it starts off even with them, like

Bo: when last we left our heroes, they were

Bo: driving towards the ice caves Night country,

Bo: if you will and then we we open the show

Bo: with them busting through the ice to get to

Bo: the ice caves and we get the little insert

Bo: like this is December 31st, the 14th day of

Bo: night, and Navarro goes in first, danvers

Bo: comes in behind her, and then they start

Bo: looking around in these ice caves and then

Bo: Navarro, spidey says, start stinging where

Bo: she's like oh, there's a ghost.

Bo: And so like leads Danvers through like all

Bo: these kind of tight spaces and so forth,

Bo: and Danvers is getting real pissed off like

Bo: God damn it, navarro, these are some real

Bo: uncomfortable caves, dr Lecter, let's get

Bo: out of here.

Bo: But but all of this leads them to a

Bo: collapsed tunnel.

Bo: Yeah, dead end.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: So and Navarro is like I can't you hear her,

Bo: like I can hear Annie calling me.

Bo: I know this is where it happened.

Bo: We've got to figure this out.

Bo: And then, no sooner has Danvers insulted

Bo: her for saying spooky shit again.

Duncan: I hope you fall through the floor as what

Duncan: she says and then all of a sudden she falls

Duncan: through the floor and down she goes like

Duncan: through the floor and Danvers is like all

Duncan: right, are you OK?

Duncan: Listen, dr Lecter, I'm going to go get help,

Duncan: and no sooner does she just kind of lean

Duncan: over the edge of that, and then she's

Duncan: leading over there.

Bo: She's like are you alone down there?

Duncan: Come back, you fucking bitch.

Bo: Yeah, that's what Navarro said.

Bo: Why is this so feel so familiar?

Bo: Wait, wait, do you have not vision goggles

Bo: on.

Duncan: Danvers is like two steps away from telling

Duncan: her how reckless she was, and then, all of

Duncan: a sudden, floor gives away with her as well

Duncan: and she goes face down.

Bo: Yeah she hits hard, gives it a real like

Bo: when she hits, which I really like.

Bo: And as soon as they realize like oh, she's

Bo: OK, they see somebody fly by yeah, they

Bo: think is Clark and they give chase and

Bo: Duncan, wouldn't you know it we end up in

Bo: like an underground ice lab.

Bo: Yes, like fucking die another day.

Bo: And there's a moment I think it's Navarro,

Bo: who's like Danvers, look up, and they look

Bo: up and they see the spiral shape made from

Bo: fossils frozen into the ice above them.

Bo: That's a cool visual.

Bo: And then we go to credits, because you know,

Bo: how do you, how do you get out of that

Bo: scene where it's just like look at this

Bo: awesome shit, just go to the credits.

Bo: So what then?

Bo: After the credits are over, we join them

Bo: back in this kind of underground lab, in

Bo: the cave lab, and the first thing they find

Bo: is a murder weapon.

Duncan: They pick up what looks to be like a drill

Duncan: bit and the drill bit is cross shaped, star

Duncan: shaped or whatever it was, and they're like

Duncan: ah, they remind you anything.

Duncan: So they take photograph for evidence and,

Duncan: yeah, this this would appear to be, if

Duncan: you're, if you're piecing things together

Duncan: on the murder weapon, which means that

Duncan: anarchy died here and Navarro is pissed as

Duncan: soon as she realizes like, oh, this is

Duncan: probably the murder scene.

Bo: She is like stalking around, yeah, like

Bo: fucking Darth Maul.

Bo: And then the sees that there's, oh there's

Bo: this kind of scoop marks by the shelf of

Bo: samples and they pull that out and, sure

Bo: enough, there's a letter that goes up that

Bo: leads into Duncan, the Solol station.

Duncan: So yeah.

Duncan: So how long were they in the caves?

Duncan: I mean, I must have been a while, because

Duncan: this whole ordeal lasts an entire day.

Duncan: The episode is pretty much an entire day,

Duncan: but they must have done something like,

Duncan: because one of the things that struck me

Duncan: about this one is when it's pointed out

Duncan: when fucking mad, crazy German, fucking

Duncan: what is he, yeah, when he was marking on

Duncan: the map like there was no point, they were

Duncan: like, look how close it is to Solol or

Duncan: anything like that at all.

Duncan: It looked to be isolated, but then this

Duncan: cave network could extend for miles, so

Duncan: it's conceivable.

Duncan: They went down there, they follow the caves

Duncan: down because we don't like it A bit of a

Duncan: distance anyway to ultimately be in the

Duncan: Solol station.

Duncan: So we basically have gone kind of full

Duncan: circle with Andy right back where we

Duncan: started, which is kind of awesome, is more

Duncan: ways than one, because as they get out into

Duncan: the Solol station and twisting shots

Duncan: playing again on loop.

Bo: Right, which, of course, jody Foster loves.

Bo: I love this song.

Duncan: Yeah, well, she knows exactly how to get

Duncan: into that cupboard this time, so she ain't

Duncan: fucking around the time.

Duncan: God damn, she's doing it and I'll put you.

Duncan: Listen here, ralph, you can fuck my wife.

Duncan: You can sit in a postmodernistic, bourgeois

Duncan: house, and one thing you can't do with her

Duncan: is one thing I want, and I watch my

Duncan: motherfucking television.

Duncan: Well, she literally opens this cupboard,

Duncan: grabs a fucking thing, tears it out and

Duncan: yeah, there is.

Duncan: Bueller has once again been discontinued.

Bo: There is a cutaway to Danvers house where

Bo: Pete is just cleaning up and taking a

Bo: shower to wash the blood off of him.

Bo: The blood of his father.

Bo: Yes, we will.

Bo: Yes, we will come back to that, but just a

Bo: quick point like oh, that's going on in the

Bo: background of all this other stuff.

Bo: Navarro is tracking these wet footprints

Bo: that lead right into a wall and Danvers,

Bo: meanwhile, is tracking down like she sees

Bo: some door swinging.

Bo: As you know, clark, is that you?

Duncan: Yeah, I'm a federal agent, and hey,

Duncan: starling, did you forget to always check

Duncan: the blind spot?

Bo: always check the blind spot, because she

Bo: doesn't check her blind spot and, as a

Bo: result, she gets trained Well she gets

Bo: locked in a room, like she goes into a room

Bo: and part of the room is that they have like

Bo: a freezer for all these ice cores that they,

Bo: yeah, dug up, and she goes into that room

Bo: and Clark shuts the door on her Right.

Duncan: Instantly.

Duncan: What I thought when this happened is right.

Duncan: This is how the scientists died Like.

Duncan: You know what I mean.

Duncan: Like that's my brain went I was like all

Duncan: right, walking freezer, why did we not like,

Duncan: why is this not been a theory before?

Duncan: Like a blast freezer, like that totally

Duncan: makes sense.

Duncan: That's how they died, turns out.

Duncan: No, I was wrong on that one Look at that in

Duncan: one of the.

Bo: Oh fuck, I love the that whole scene but

Bo: anyway.

Bo: So Clark is now on the loose in the station.

Bo: Danvers is locked up in this core sample

Bo: room and Clark just goes full Jack Torrance

Bo: with.

Duncan: Well, that's it, this whole scene is like

Duncan: so fucking like.

Duncan: I love this a little bit.

Duncan: I really really do.

Duncan: I love the fact that she just on a bash a

Duncan: little bit of that they're shining.

Duncan: Let's tell it, let's just lean right into

Duncan: it Right.

Bo: So he brains Navarro with this fire

Bo: extinguisher.

Duncan: At Mancar others right yeah.

Bo: And then she wakes up while she's being

Bo: dragged also from the show and what she

Bo: does, but in a real nice change of pace.

Bo: Yeah, navarro, like, bust out.

Bo: She finds, like this iron rod in there and

Bo: like and bust, bust out of the core sample

Bo: room, gets out of this freezer and goes to

Bo: find Navarro.

Bo: Who is fucking this dude up and she has to

Bo: stop it.

Bo: She has to like call time.

Bo: She's like don't kill him.

Bo: Jesus Christ Navarro, come on, dr Lector.

Duncan: Yeah, like, in this scenario, the person

Duncan: that you wanted to keep locked up in the

Duncan: blast freezer might be Navarro, like, and

Duncan: then maybe brain Jodie Foster you picked

Duncan: the wrong but like a fucking world champion

Duncan: boxing person this actress she is.

Duncan: She is on top of him.

Duncan: She is smacking the shit of her.

Duncan: But what I love about this is like Jodie

Duncan: Foster.

Duncan: Like Jodie Foster is not saving this guy.

Bo: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Duncan: We need to ask him questions.

Duncan: We're going to ask him questions.

Duncan: Also, before we get to asking him questions,

Duncan: let's leave him with the tortured hills on

Duncan: loop dude Like it's so fucked up, man.

Duncan: The details in this episode are just

Duncan: fucking incredible, yeah.

Bo: So I mean, let's just skip ahead to that

Bo: and then we'll come back to Pete.

Bo: But yeah, so they duct tape him to a chair

Bo: and Navarro is like did you love Annie?

Bo: And he's like yeah, I'd loved Annie.

Bo: And she's like good.

Duncan: And then sticks headphones in his ears and

Duncan: then duct tape, some yeah, and then plays

Duncan: her death video on loop, and then they put

Duncan: the tape over his mouth as well and switch

Duncan: the light off and then go to get a cup of

Duncan: coffee or something, or we're just going to

Duncan: leave him with that and leave him howling

Duncan: without a voice in the dark listening to

Duncan: the death cries of his love.

Duncan: It's just so fucking.

Bo: Yes, it is.

Bo: It's raw.

Bo: I really like it.

Bo: Meanwhile, let's check back in with Pete,

Bo: who's having a grand old time finding a

Bo: tooth embedded in the wall.

Duncan: Most likely his dad's.

Bo: Most likely his dad's from when he shot his

Bo: father.

Duncan: The closest that the molar is, the closest

Duncan: we get to the term more people in this

Duncan: episode, which once again shoots our theory

Duncan: out.

Bo: But yeah, there's no more people more

Bo: people, but it's stuck in the morning.

Duncan: It looks like this I'm kind of need to, and

Duncan: then all of a sudden fucking like in Nevada

Duncan: not in Nevada Danvers kid comes in.

Bo: Leah, yeah, it shows up and it's just like

Bo: yeah, you know, is is Danvers around, like

Bo: we had a fight, and he's like no, no,

Bo: everything's cool here, just just cleaning

Bo: up around the house.

Bo: Yeah, make myself useful, no big deal.

Duncan: He's standing awkwardly like Tom Sivir does

Duncan: and from the still dawn after being bitten

Duncan: yeah.

Bo: And Leah clocks it right away.

Bo: She's like what is wrong with you?

Bo: What's going on here?

Bo: He's like, well, you know just everything

Bo: going on with Kayla right now.

Bo: And she's like, oh yeah, I guess that's

Bo: cool.

Bo: And then he's like you know what?

Bo: In fact, can I just take you back there,

Bo: cause the idea of them being alone on New

Bo: Year's Eve kind of bumps me out.

Bo: It would make me happy if, like you're not,

Bo: like Danvers isn't here, she's off doing a

Bo: work thing, why don't I take you back there?

Bo: And then you, you're there to keep her

Bo: company and et cetera, and she's like uh, I

Bo: guess yeah maybe yeah, and it looks like

Bo: you want me to turn my back for a couple of

Bo: seconds.

Duncan: That seems a new route.

Duncan: Let me just face it over.

Duncan: Like cause, as soon as she turns to walk

Duncan: out, he's like writer and grabbing the

Duncan: tooth.

Duncan: Go fuck him.

Duncan: He just fuck him up, steam.

Bo: Steam clams.

Bo: You say, yes, sir, that's what you call

Bo: hamburgers.

Bo: Yep, Steamed hams, um, anyway.

Bo: So yeah, like you said, there's a quick

Bo: like yawink as he grabs this tooth, uh, off

Bo: the wall, which is, like you said, it's

Bo: just a really gnarly detail to include.

Duncan: It's super gnarly detail, like you've just.

Duncan: You've just washed your father's blood off

Duncan: you.

Duncan: After, like, wrapping them up in plastic,

Duncan: like she's a lot of fucking parm, I'm

Duncan: putting her in the back of a vehicle to

Duncan: bury somewhere.

Duncan: I like you've just got through all that.

Duncan: You're like, and then you got to deal with

Duncan: this shit and just as you're getting ready

Duncan: to go dispose of your dance board, you turn

Duncan: around and he's fucking tooth's embedded in

Duncan: the wall.

Bo: We'll get to a discussion about this later

Bo: that I dearly love Cause Navarro does not

Bo: fuck around.

Bo: She's just like he's fucked for life, isn't

Bo: he?

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Yeah, we'll talk about that, anyway.

Bo: So, uh, so he does take Leah back to uh

Bo: Kayla's place.

Bo: She runs in and then out comes Kayla right

Bo: away, cause she knows there's something up

Bo: Right, and he's like, look, I, I know this

Bo: is fucked up, but there's a thing that I've

Bo: got to do.

Duncan: And I can't tell you what's Danvers, what

Duncan: you're doing, and she's like Danvers didn't

Duncan: do anything.

Duncan: It's me, yeah, this is me.

Bo: Yeah, Um, and as he's telling her like, hey,

Bo: once this is done, I'm with you a hundred

Bo: percent, but I got to do this thing.

Bo: And before he can even get it all out, like

Bo: she kisses him and she's, she says uh, look,

Bo: just come home.

Bo: Yeah, when all this is over, just come home.

Bo: And so then we go back to Salal as the

Bo: storm by the way, I don't know if we

Bo: mentioned this, but like there's the storm

Bo: going on outside- massive Arctic storm,

Bo: which you saw at the end of the previous

Bo: episode that they were driving into.

Duncan: but this thing is fucking hellacious, Right.

Bo: Yeah, and they make the point like, hey, we

Bo: can't go home, yeah, until this is over,

Bo: yeah, and so, uh, they're as, they're stuck

Bo: there and they're playing.

Duncan: You know, the horrifying video for this

Duncan: dude in the tape to the chair Danvers is

Duncan: eating funyons, which remember we mentioned

Duncan: funyons right back in the first episode,

Duncan: with the delivery driver bringing it.

Duncan: So she's having funyons.

Bo: Um uh.

Bo: Navarro, on the other hand, opens the

Bo: fridge and out rolls an orange, and we

Bo: learned that her mother loved oranges and

Bo: there's kind of a significance to that.

Bo: Yeah, and Danvers meanwhile sees this bit

Bo: of glass on the floor and we get a split

Bo: second flash to her, like walking along the

Bo: pavement where there's a lot of broken

Bo: glass.

Bo: Yeah, just for a second.

Bo: And then when we cut back to her, she's

Bo: kind of picked it out of her shoe and it's

Bo: thrown it.

Bo: And this is where Navarro says so is prior

Bo: fucked for a life?

Bo: Yeah, that's how she puts it.

Bo: And and that's where Danvers is like maybe

Bo: I don't know, and she says it's crazy, the

Bo: shit that we survive.

Bo: Yeah, um, but now they're ready.

Bo: There's a moment where they're like so you

Bo: think he's good?

Bo: Yeah, let's go talk to him, and so they do.

Bo: They, you know, unceramodiously rip the

Bo: duct tape off his hair, which I was like.

Bo: This may be the most painful thing in this

Bo: whole episode, but, um, and he's ready to

Bo: talk now.

Bo: Yeah, so he tells them that he did not kill

Bo: Annie.

Duncan: What I love about this.

Duncan: Well, this is the theme of this entire

Duncan: season is the stories that we tell.

Duncan: Yes, and we've had this all the way through.

Duncan: I once got to read some people complaining

Duncan: about the fact that you know he's saying

Duncan: one thing, but the, you know the, the, the,

Duncan: the, the, playing kind of both sides here

Duncan: by showing you one version of the truth and

Duncan: his version of how he's like, the way he

Duncan: tells that is his story, as if they've not

Duncan: used this technique before in this season.

Bo: Like they literally have on on the wheeler

Bo: case, yeah, or that it didn't begin with a

Bo: made up quote about an unreliable narrator.

Duncan: Yeah, at least all at a time as a flat

Duncan: circle, but, um, they've been all the way

Duncan: through it.

Duncan: But yeah, like the stories, the, the story

Duncan: that he tells is not what you as the

Duncan: audience see.

Duncan: So here is narration over actually what

Duncan: happened.

Duncan: What you find out, Bo, is kind of what we

Duncan: had pieced together.

Duncan: Once again, I love the fact that we kind of

Duncan: worked out a lot of this.

Duncan: May not put all together at the end, but

Duncan: the show really did dangle a lot of really

Duncan: obvious shit in front of us, um, and we

Duncan: just didn't ask the right question.

Bo: Yeah, I feel like we mostly got it right

Bo: from way early on.

Duncan: Like so much of the stuff we got earlier,

Duncan: and I think it's just because we are

Duncan: preconditioned to watch things and try to

Duncan: extract every nuance.

Duncan: Yeah, um, but yeah, ultimately what

Duncan: happened is the clip that we'd seen on the

Duncan: phone, right of her screaming, is a small

Duncan: segment of her death, and it was in that

Duncan: room.

Duncan: Below we find out that she was in a

Duncan: relationship with Clark.

Duncan: We already knew that.

Duncan: However, she somehow got into the facility,

Duncan: thus once again validating her theory that

Duncan: maybe she was using him to get access.

Duncan: She's an activist, after all.

Duncan: Maybe she was already piecing things

Duncan: together.

Duncan: She needed access to Salal, so she started

Duncan: seeing Clark, who seemed a bit unstable

Duncan: anyway, so she got in there.

Duncan: During her time checking around, she

Duncan: managed to find the access to the lab and

Duncan: when she went down there, she found all

Duncan: these papers that ultimately proved that

Duncan: the scientists were actively and this is

Duncan: from his thing, because they're asking him

Duncan: about what the station does and he's like

Duncan: we found the cure.

Duncan: We found the thing, the enzyme, the

Duncan: organism, whatever we want to call it Like

Duncan: it cures everything.

Duncan: We found it, but we couldn't extract it in

Duncan: good enough quantities in order for us to

Duncan: do this.

Duncan: But what we did find out is actually the

Duncan: mine.

Duncan: It's pumping all this pollutant in the

Duncan: water.

Duncan: It's actually raising the core temperature,

Duncan: which is making it easier for it to do so.

Duncan: We kind of just turned a blind eye at that,

Duncan: fabricated some shit In order to do it.

Duncan: She found this evidence that basically the

Duncan: mine is the thing which we already knew,

Duncan: which is behind all the stillbaths, all the

Duncan: problems and all the rest, and they were

Duncan: covering up Her finding this.

Duncan: She then starts breaking the ice core

Duncan: samples which the main guy, the head guy,

Duncan: the guy who died in the worst pain in the

Duncan: hospital room he found her doing that and

Duncan: he just flipped and he did the old Sean

Duncan: Connery from, was it?

Duncan: It's not Gorillaz in the mist?

Duncan: Is it Gorillaz in the what's the movie

Duncan: where Sean Connery finds the cure for

Duncan: cancer?

Bo: Oh, Medicine man with.

Duncan: Lorraine Brocco.

Duncan: Found the cure for the plague on the 20th

Duncan: century, I've lost it.

Duncan: Yeah, like, so, like he.

Duncan: Basically, he sees this and he grabs the

Duncan: first thing he can find, star-shaped chisel,

Duncan: starts stabbing her.

Duncan: She screams out.

Duncan: Clark hears this.

Duncan: Clark wakes up, runs through, runs down,

Duncan: sees her, tries to pull him off.

Duncan: He smacks her.

Duncan: Then apparently all the scientists come

Duncan: down and it's a real kind of well, let's

Duncan: just hold her down, let this guy finish it.

Duncan: And this is what we're seeing.

Duncan: So once again we're seeing the validation

Duncan: of that part of the story when he says that

Duncan: you know, the all attack to the held him

Duncan: down and I had to watch it.

Duncan: That's what happened.

Duncan: Well, he doesn't tell them, but what we get

Duncan: to see, boy, she's not actually fucking

Duncan: dead.

Bo: Right, well, because Clark is like clean

Bo: air up, like, oh, this should never have

Bo: happened.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: She kind of wakes up and starts clawing at

Bo: him, yeah For help, and he uses that same

Bo: shirt or whatever he has, yeah To smother

Bo: her.

Duncan: Yeah, it does the old.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, speaking of Nicholson, he gives

Bo: her the old cuckoo's nest.

Duncan: Oh, 100%, yeah, Like he basically strangles

Duncan: her to death.

Duncan: So she died of asphyxiation and he's the

Duncan: guy that does it, but he doesn't tell them

Duncan: that and actually, right to the point that

Duncan: he dies, he's still claiming that he loved

Duncan: her and he didn't kill her.

Duncan: So once again, that's a detail that we now

Duncan: know that the detectives don't know.

Duncan: But I mean, I think the fellow that he's

Duncan: responsible, even by proxy, by virtue of

Duncan: not, he's an accessory, even if the worst

Duncan: case, like the best case scenario, is an

Duncan: accessory, worst case is a murderer and

Duncan: Navarro asks him about the tongue.

Duncan: Yeah, so he says that.

Duncan: He says like.

Duncan: He like they're like why did you cut out

Duncan: our tongue?

Bo: And he's like oh, we never did that Right

Bo: Right, Right, Like we did a lot of fucked

Bo: up stuff, but we did.

Bo: We did not take her tongue.

Duncan: But the situation, the insinuation, is well.

Bo: He says they sent a cop to move the body.

Bo: Maybe he did it as a warning to others.

Bo: So the insinuation is hank did it.

Bo: But like that doesn't really hold water,

Bo: but neither does that.

Duncan: That's what I kind of love about this

Duncan: episode.

Bo: Yeah.

Duncan: Right there's.

Duncan: There's been a lot of confusion about the

Duncan: tongue Right and I was trying to find the

Duncan: best way to articulate this as something as

Duncan: to the symbolism behind the tongue Right,

Duncan: and the best I could get is a quote from

Duncan: and I took a screen grab of this because I

Duncan: was very proud of myself is a quote from

Duncan: famous Game of Thrones author, george RR

Duncan: Martin.

Duncan: He says that when you tear out a man's

Duncan: tongue, you're not proving him a liar, but

Duncan: only telling the world that you fear what

Duncan: he might say.

Duncan: So the tongue in this season like I once

Duncan: again did a bit deep diving and Isabel Pez

Duncan: is based at the said the tongue symbolizes

Duncan: Annie Kay's voice.

Bo: Yeah, that's how I took it.

Bo: I hadn't read that, I'm just smart.

Duncan: No, that's what it means and as a result,

Duncan: it holds no more symbolism in this than

Duncan: that.

Duncan: Yeah, cool effect.

Duncan: There's a kind of cool ghostly detail to

Duncan: put here, but she doesn't feel the need to

Duncan: answer that question at all, and you know

Duncan: what?

Duncan: I'm fine with that.

Bo: Yeah, I mean, if it is, you know,

Bo: presumably the spirit of Annie Kay it is it

Bo: is a way for her to speak, to say, like you

Bo: are, you are on my case now.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Like you know when, when you are

Bo: investigating the death of these men.

Bo: But you can.

Duncan: You can tie all this.

Duncan: Like you said before, no one the whole

Duncan: season is the unreliable narrator Like this

Duncan: could very well, when we find out who the

Duncan: killers are, they could have easily, like

Duncan: the tongue could have been cut out and put

Duncan: beside the body as a you know snitches get

Duncan: stitches, sort of thing, and they could

Duncan: have found the body, taken that and kept it

Duncan: as a.

Duncan: One day when we find, we will place, even

Duncan: though they will get to, even though the

Duncan: murderers claim that they don't know

Duncan: anything about the tongue, that doesn't

Duncan: necessarily mean they don't know anything

Duncan: about the tongue.

Bo: You're right, yeah, I mean you're right.

Bo: Like again, we can't be sure of this, yeah,

Bo: but like it can be explained.

Duncan: It can be explained.

Duncan: It just can't be explained by virtue of

Duncan: someone in the episode seeing.

Duncan: They did or didn't.

Duncan: Yes, but yeah, you could easily squirrel

Duncan: that way.

Bo: So so I like this moment very much as well,

Bo: where Navarro says say again that you love

Bo: Danny Kay and he's like I loved her.

Bo: And as soon as he does, navarro pulls her

Bo: gun and Danvers just turns around and is

Bo: leaving.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Navarro is like aren't you going to try to

Bo: stop me?

Bo: And she's like nope.

Duncan: No, you do what you got to do.

Duncan: I'm going to try to stop me this time.

Duncan: I think is what she says and she's like

Duncan: nope.

Bo: And so we do get that.

Bo: We get some resolution on this of what

Bo: happened in the Wheeler house, because

Bo: Danvers leaves and we get the flashback

Bo: again of the dude sitting in the chair

Bo: whistling, twist and shout, and Navarro

Bo: comes back without having shot so, Clark,

Bo: worth pointing out and Danvers says you

Bo: know, I was about to do it when you shot

Bo: him, Wheeler, I mean.

Bo: And we get this moment that happens in the

Bo: Wheeler house where, after you know, he's

Bo: grinning and whistling and Navarro not

Bo: Navarro but Danvers is kind of very slowly

Bo: lifting her gun.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And before she can do it, navarro, just

Bo: like, pulls her gun and fires.

Duncan: Yeah, reflex.

Duncan: It's like that is very, very, very quick.

Bo: And yeah, so we kind of wrap that up as far

Bo: as we also get the detail, although it's

Bo: not really explained.

Duncan: We get the detail of a baby crying yeah,

Duncan: yeah, yeah.

Duncan: And once again I've read a few things where

Duncan: this upset a few people because it's not

Duncan: actually passed out and what I like.

Duncan: Once again, what I took away from this is

Duncan: them fabricating.

Duncan: The evidence is kind of twofold.

Duncan: One it's you know it's them covering the

Duncan: tracks and putting a guy who clearly wasn't

Duncan: fucking a nice dude, kind of putting a bow

Duncan: on that story.

Duncan: But the other thing I kind of took away

Duncan: from it was is it easier for that kid to

Duncan: grow up thinking that their mother was

Duncan: murdered or their mother committed suicide?

Bo: Right, and their father like hey, you're.

Bo: If the, if the story is your mother was

Bo: abused and murdered and then your father

Bo: killed himself because he could not live

Bo: with it or whatever, yeah, Then that's

Bo: probably a better story than hey, she

Bo: committed suicide and then oops.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: We got that a little wrong.

Bo: We read the the room.

Duncan: So, yeah, I like that's how I took that.

Duncan: Once again the Internet, the Internet, the

Duncan: Internet.

Bo: So so when we come back to Danvers, she's

Bo: peeling an orange and a spiral just exactly

Bo: the same way that Navarro's mom used to

Bo: peel them.

Bo: And the orange falls and we get a moment

Bo: where we see like frost on the ground where

Bo: the tongue was.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And in a very funny moment, danvers is like

Bo: this this looks like a supernatural clue,

Bo: dr Elector.

Bo: and then Navarro comes in and she rises up

Bo: really quickly and bangs her head on the

Bo: like the underside of the table and gives a

Bo: good fuck, which I really like, and but yes,

Bo: she leaves a spiral behind on the plate,

Bo: just just like you know Navarro's mom and

Bo: also the spiral that we keep seeing, she

Bo: also grabs a bottle of absolute on her way

Bo: out, which is, you know, good, Well, well,

Bo: well, well, well, well, well, Well, well,

Bo: well, well, well.

Bo: And they go to question Clark some more,

Bo: because the one thing we don't know is OK,

Bo: we know Annie Kay was killed there, but we

Bo: still don't know what happened to the men.

Duncan: Yeah, what she like to me is all I've been

Duncan: screaming at my TV for about the past 10

Duncan: minutes.

Bo: So that fucking ask him a bit more than the

Bo: so, and so we do, and Clark says, like he'd

Bo: been seeing Annie Kay and she and he knew

Bo: that she was going to come for him.

Bo: Yeah, and so when whatever happens, happens.

Duncan: Yeah, you know, when the base, when he felt

Duncan: that presence and the power, went out, he

Duncan: licked it yes.

Bo: To the shaft with the hatch.

Duncan: Yeah, and got on the other side of the

Duncan: hatch, so in the tunnel underneath and held

Duncan: on for dear life as he could hear the

Duncan: banging on top and these like the howling

Duncan: sounds and all the rest, all this commotion,

Duncan: and he claims that he is down there for

Duncan: days, which would track.

Duncan: I also love the fact that Danvers like

Duncan: suddenly puts it together Like this dude

Duncan: was here when we were here, like when we

Duncan: were, that he was all he was.

Duncan: He's been here the whole fucking time

Duncan: during this investigation.

Duncan: We didn't know about this thing.

Duncan: But also he came out for food when the

Duncan: delivery driver came through.

Duncan: So he doesn't actually know what happened

Duncan: to his colleagues.

Bo: He thinks the Vans for Ghost of Anarchy

Bo: came and claimed them Right and tried to

Bo: open the hatch, like he was holding the

Bo: hatch closed and and had gone to look for

Bo: Otis Heist to figure out how to survive.

Bo: Annie and Danvers is like.

Bo: Well, that doesn't make any sense, dr

Bo: Lector, because you know he had quit long

Bo: before that and the event that he survived

Bo: was long before Annie was even born.

Bo: And that's when and this, I think, is a

Bo: little ham-fisted this may be what you were

Bo: talking about when, when, he's like yeah,

Bo: but Tom is a flat circle man and we're just

Bo: stuck in it.

Duncan: Yeah, and like I, don't know how much of

Duncan: that, though, like this is.

Duncan: This is like I think.

Duncan: Go and listen to an interview with Issa

Duncan: Lopez.

Duncan: She's a very, very, very playful person,

Duncan: right.

Duncan: She's a big personality, and part of me

Duncan: does feel like she watched that for season.

Duncan: She fucking loved that for season.

Duncan: She maybe spent I don't know five minutes

Duncan: checking YouTube videos and she just saw

Duncan: how much of a cultural phenomenon that is.

Duncan: It was like that.

Duncan: I'm going to fuck with it.

Duncan: So I would not surprise me if that's a

Duncan: little.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: Yeah, I mean kind of fine right, Like it's

Bo: not my favourite line.

Duncan: Yeah, it didn't upset me because they

Duncan: didn't handle it in the same way as it's

Duncan: handled in season one, like had they really

Duncan: went and like remember, like season one,

Duncan: like the time as a flat circle is all

Duncan: leading up to the fact that they end up

Duncan: hunting the wrong person, they end up

Duncan: killing the guy who is a murderer and is

Duncan: the meth cooker or whatever.

Duncan: You know that whole thing about the monster

Duncan: appearing and all the rest.

Duncan: That's where that comes from.

Duncan: That time as a flat circle is the bodies

Duncan: are appearing again because we didn't do

Duncan: our job right and evil will come up like

Duncan: that.

Duncan: And the case of this one, it's a throwaway

Duncan: line by someone who's mentally broken, who

Duncan: is like a well read and I believe that

Duncan: Clark read Nietzsche more than I believe

Duncan: that fucking.

Duncan: You know some of these backwards

Duncan: hillbillies have read fucking books on

Duncan: Carcosa.

Duncan: You know, I mean it's like it didn't bother

Duncan: me, I just kind of felt like it was, it was

Duncan: the obvious line to take from season one.

Duncan: You know, I mean I don't know if he said

Duncan: like I can smell it in the psychosphere,

Duncan: that would have more of an impact.

Duncan: I mean whoa, but you know it's clumsy, but

Duncan: it's not fucking because of that lane in

Duncan: the years.

Duncan: That the best thing I've ever seen.

Bo: Yeah, I mean one.

Bo: One false note in this episode is not going

Bo: to throw me off.

Bo: No, of course not, but you sure enough.

Bo: Danvers leaves on that note and and Clark

Bo: tells Navarro like go ahead and kill me or

Bo: let me do it.

Bo: Yeah, danvers meanwhile goes to lie down in

Bo: one of the you know crew quarters or

Bo: whatever and finds a crucifix in her hair.

Bo: So supernatural shit afoot.

Duncan: Yeah, for those not keeping count, the

Duncan: crucifix is the symbol of Navarro's mother,

Duncan: which has appeared several times in this

Duncan: season thus far in weird situations.

Duncan: But this to me, shows that it's kind of the

Duncan: supernatural element is now crossing over

Duncan: Like.

Duncan: So this is now, this is like we all at the

Duncan: moment.

Duncan: So far, most of the supernatural stuff, if

Duncan: not all of it, has happened to Navarro, and

Duncan: that's including the stuff that affects

Duncan: Danvers.

Duncan: So hold them communicating and all the rest.

Duncan: This is the first time, like we are so

Duncan: close to whatever event that's actually

Duncan: affecting Danvers.

Duncan: So Danvers is finding something that she

Duncan: can't, you know, can't square away, because

Duncan: how could she?

Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bo: Well, and we'll come back to this the whole

Bo: question of the supernatural in this.

Bo: But, there is a pretty good shot of Pete

Bo: taking the bodies out to visit Rose as the

Bo: street lights are going out, which is very

Bo: cool.

Duncan: It's just a great shot.

Duncan: Yeah, Rose, in this episode as well.

Duncan: I'm just like man.

Bo: she, like Rose, keeps it real, and that's

Bo: what I like about her.

Duncan: It's going to be one of those nights, isn't

Duncan: it?

Duncan: Yeah?

Bo: Oh, we'll get, we're almost there.

Bo: So Danvers, meanwhile, wakes up from like

Bo: this dream vision where she sees her, her

Bo: boy Holden, and then here's some screen,

Bo: mommy, and then she wakes up and the first

Bo: thing we realize is like oh, she can see

Bo: her breath here and the power is out in the

Bo: station and the temperatures falling fast.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: And you know if, if, as soon as the fires

Bo: go out, we're not going to survive.

Bo: Maybe we shouldn't, but Danvers goes to

Bo: find a bar.

Duncan: I do see her breath, though, so she can't

Duncan: be the thing that's right.

Bo: Navarro on the other hand.

Bo: But she goes to find a borrow and finds her

Bo: outside, where Clark is now frozen and dead.

Duncan: Yeah, he's what we like to call pulling a

Duncan: thorns.

Bo: Yeah, it is.

Bo: And then you know some swing music plays

Bo: and we see him in a picture.

Duncan: He's always in the gold room in 1921, but I

Duncan: don't know if you knew that.

Bo: Yes, he's always been the caretaker in

Bo: Salal.

Duncan: Well, the thing is like she obviously she

Duncan: thinks Navarro forced him out to freeze to

Duncan: death.

Duncan: And this is where everything gets a little

Duncan: bit, a little bit esoteric, a little bit, a

Duncan: little bit spooky a little bit from the

Duncan: other side.

Bo: Well, yeah, I like that.

Bo: The way she puts it is that first and

Bo: brother fucker out.

Bo: There is only witness.

Bo: We have Dr Lector and Navarro is like I

Bo: didn't do that to him.

Bo: Yeah, like I didn't make him go out there.

Bo: The that's how I found him and, by the way,

Bo: I'm going to go find a backup generator

Bo: because it's getting fucking cold.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And so she goes to work on the generator,

Bo: which doesn't start.

Bo: But we do get a good glimpse of Annie Kay

Bo: All goously behind her.

Bo: And then, upstairs, danvers is getting some

Bo: ghosts of her own when this busted hub cap

Bo: rolls by the doorway.

Bo: She's looking, looking out.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: And then we come back down to Navarro, who

Bo: is now seeing the ghost of Clark that's

Bo: doing the whole like shutter thing and says

Bo: she's awake, which suggests that, oh, he is

Bo: the kind of ghost that is just repeating

Bo: what's happened in the past.

Bo: So you know, of the three kinds of ghosts,

Bo: we have the one that just repeats, yeah,

Bo: which is Clark here.

Bo: We have the one that is trying to give a

Bo: message even if you don't want to hear it,

Bo: which is holding, and then we've got the

Bo: ghost that you just and you're trying to

Bo: take you with you right, which seems to be

Bo: Julie.

Bo: Yes, but we'll.

Bo: We'll get to that in a second, but yes, so

Bo: all right.

Bo: So Pete then shows up at Rose's place, and

Bo: this is where he he's like hey, I need you

Bo: to take me where Julie is.

Bo: I've got somebody who's going the same

Bo: place.

Bo: And that's the point where she says it's

Bo: going to be one of those nights.

Duncan: One of those put two bodies on ace nates.

Bo: No, no, yeah.

Bo: Rose has a line that I'm like what the fuck

Bo: have you been up to, rose?

Bo: Like, yeah, it's, she knows a little bit,

Bo: but we'll get to this anyway.

Bo: So Navarro and Danvers are now huddled

Bo: around a fire, and it because there's no

Bo: power in the place and they're just trying

Bo: to stay alive until the storm lets up and

Bo: they can get out of this place.

Bo: And Navarro says you know, there's just

Bo: something out there that's calling me, and

Bo: I just want to tell you that you know what,

Bo: when I see hold in, yeah well, she says

Bo: there's something out there that's calling

Bo: me.

Duncan: And then she goes to talk about her sister

Duncan: and, like Jody Foster, lays in hard that

Duncan: your sister was weak, she couldn't handle

Duncan: it.

Duncan: You're strong, you can handle it.

Duncan: You don't walk out on the ice.

Duncan: This is about to 180 pretty quick in this

Duncan: episode.

Duncan: Yeah, she will, she will, she will turn on

Duncan: that statement Pretty fast because she does

Duncan: say she's like that, you know, and she said

Duncan: it looks like you across the eyes, but

Duncan: something like that.

Duncan: He doesn't look like you much, but there's

Duncan: something about his eyes, yeah, and she's

Duncan: like what the fuck you talk?

Bo: about Dr Lector and she's like well, hold

Bo: on, Hold on.

Duncan: He told me a message and she Danvers, goes

Duncan: fucking raw here.

Duncan: Dude, she gets like not mama bear.

Bo: She gets like fucking bile and she's like,

Bo: yeah, shut up, you, shut your mouth, you

Bo: keep his name out of your mouth.

Bo: And she says and I wrote this down because

Bo: it was such a good quote, it's what.

Bo: This is the delivery that I love.

Bo: This may be my favorite thing Jody Foster

Bo: has ever said.

Bo: The line is shut up about him or I'll shoot

Bo: your sick fucking mouth right off your face.

Bo: Fuck, she is angry.

Bo: And then she says I am not merciful, I have

Bo: no merciful and I have no mercy left.

Bo: You understand?

Bo: And then storms off when she looks at at

Bo: Navarro and says I am not merciful.

Bo: Yeah, it's like fuck, she is not lying to

Bo: you.

Bo: Yeah, she is telling she is telling you the.

Bo: God's truth right now and you need to

Bo: accept that.

Bo: You need to back the fuck off, mm.

Bo: Hmm.

Bo: Meanwhile, leah is trying to get hold of

Bo: Danvers.

Bo: Quick cut away where she's like hey,

Bo: whatever's going on, don't die out there,

Bo: okay, yeah.

Bo: And so we kind of follow Danvers from there,

Bo: who goes to this room again and she buries

Bo: herself under blankets and she's like

Bo: trying to stay warm.

Bo: Yeah, like as part of our part of our

Bo: storming off.

Duncan: She basically says to Navarro like if you

Duncan: want to walk out and they, she fucking go

Duncan: with that.

Duncan: Like, yeah, she bit the things are.

Duncan: She goes in, she puts things in, she puts

Duncan: things in, she puts things in, she puts

Duncan: things in, she puts things in and instantly

Duncan: is like that and she might do it.

Duncan: I'd like yeah, yeah, I'd like that's not

Duncan: maybe that I was angry, but that's maybe

Duncan: not the thing that someone who is

Duncan: contemplating suicide may want to hear.

Duncan: So she gets back up, she heads down and the

Duncan: fire's still on, but ain't no, Navarro, bo

Duncan: Yep.

Bo: So she goes outside to hunt for Navarro,

Bo: who is, sure enough, walking out on the ice,

Bo: but from Navarro's point of view, she's in

Bo: the desert, yeah, and we get like the ear

Bo: bleeding again.

Bo: Which is just.

Bo: She is in the presence of this.

Bo: Whatever it is that's out there on the ice

Bo: and the thing gives her her name, which is

Bo: like Senna Ichkak something like that.

Bo: Spare them while I hunt.

Bo: So go for it.

Bo: And Danvers sees Holden under the ice

Bo: beneath her feet, yeah, and so she starts

Bo: freaking out because, like the kid is

Bo: banging from under the eyes and she's like

Bo: Holden, and then starts banging on the ice

Bo: and, sure enough, shoots down through the

Bo: ice.

Duncan: Ice is going to break and it does actually,

Duncan: and she goes into the ice and fucking

Duncan: cinematography and this scene is fucking

Duncan: beautiful.

Duncan: It's like absolutely mind-blowingly good.

Duncan: But yeah, she goes under and, for all

Duncan: intents and purposes, dies and once again,

Duncan: according to Isolopes, that character dies

Duncan: in the ice but is brought back by Navarro,

Duncan: who doesn't walk out any further on the ice.

Duncan: She gets a fucking our native name and then

Duncan: she goes back and she helps Danvers and she

Duncan: gets her in.

Duncan: And I will tell you this, jodie Foster's

Duncan: acting is so fucking good that the raspy

Duncan: tone she's getting as she's being brought

Duncan: back to life, I genuinely thought someone

Duncan: would kill Jodie Foster and brought her

Duncan: back to life, like that's how like it

Duncan: sounds like she's like I don't even know

Duncan: how you do, I used to do death metal vocals

Duncan: in a band and the rasp that she gets in her

Duncan: voice I couldn't do right.

Duncan: It's just going to.

Duncan: It's all the breathings, like how someone

Duncan: breathes when they can't get enough air

Duncan: into their lungs.

Duncan: And Navarro's trying to bring her like back,

Duncan: like Despo, to try to bring her back Alem.

Duncan: She asks, and this kind of stipper of half

Duncan: I have dead.

Duncan: She asked her what Holden said to her and

Duncan: Navarro says Holden says like I see you,

Duncan: and it's like fucking acting is so good,

Duncan: it's like the weight of everything like

Duncan: comes right off the top of Danvers and she

Duncan: cries in a way which feels maybe the most

Duncan: realistic crying I've seen since, fucking

Duncan: like Florence Pugh and Midsomer or fucking

Duncan: Tony Collette and like Fucking her registry.

Duncan: It's just this kind of hollowed out Growly

Duncan: howl.

Duncan: It's just, it's just so fucking emotional

Duncan: and Navarro just holds her and lets her cry.

Bo: I mean, it's a really Wonderful moment

Bo: between these characters.

Duncan: Yes, and I think it's the bit where I think

Duncan: Because what you're gonna get after this is

Duncan: an acceptance, where I think, danvers, all

Duncan: that, all that front that she's had about

Duncan: like no, did you spit it, gay tell you, and

Duncan: all that that kind of goes In this moment,

Duncan: and I think she respects that.

Duncan: Maybe there are things out there.

Duncan: Maybe death isn't the final, the final part

Duncan: of the story.

Bo: So well, I mean, she's just seen Holden,

Bo: she's just seen her son, but sure enough,

Bo: the storm is passing.

Bo: Pete's still digging out on the ice this is

Bo: fun.

Duncan: This is like Rose, really.

Duncan: He's like he finished, you dig it.

Duncan: He's like right there, that should be

Duncan: enough.

Duncan: And I'm like roses, like what the fucking

Duncan: the knife he's looking at?

Duncan: She's like you may want to turn your head

Duncan: just now and he's like, no, I want to see.

Duncan: And she's like you want to see is that

Duncan: fucking puncture your dead?

Duncan: So long here, so he doesn't fucking float.

Duncan: And you see these, like Pete's face is like

Duncan: yeah, maybe I don't want it.

Duncan: Like he's like turns round yeah.

Duncan: And Rose, like full-on, has buried bodies

Duncan: before in the past.

Bo: Right has has had to have done something

Bo: because she knows how to do this quick and

Bo: efficiently, and the fact that she knew how

Bo: to do it at all, or that I never even

Bo: thought yeah, she's, she's.

Duncan: Like she knows that if they put that,

Duncan: there's another aspect to consider here

Duncan: like she knows, like the police know that,

Duncan: to be honest, fucking Pete should have

Duncan: known the ice is.

Duncan: The ice in the water is so cold, it's going

Duncan: to preserve the body, right, and when the

Duncan: ice thaws, that body is going to come up,

Duncan: and you don't want that, like you don't

Duncan: want that to happen.

Duncan: So naturally, you remove, you puncture the

Duncan: lungs and it removes all the air from the

Duncan: body and it makes your body float, sorry,

Duncan: sink.

Duncan: So she, I love that she does that, though,

Duncan: but then roses like I'm not putting them in

Duncan: nice, you need to do that because that's

Duncan: you need to finish what you started on this.

Duncan: That a rose will help you get the body

Duncan: ready, rosie, and help you put the body in

Duncan: the ice.

Bo: I think that has something to do with Like

Bo: Navarro telling Danvers you know like you

Bo: get to carry Annie now you know it's that

Bo: kind of thing like you're now responsible

Bo: for.

Duncan: I think, yeah, I think there's a finality

Duncan: to that that you have to do.

Duncan: It's like that.

Duncan: It's like in them, like mongo.

Duncan: The premise of late mongo, if you're

Duncan: looking at from a non-ghostly point of view,

Duncan: is the reason the mother so wholly believes

Duncan: that her kid might be communicating from

Duncan: beyond the dead is because she never saw

Duncan: the body.

Duncan: She never went to see the body, or her

Duncan: husband did so as a part of her.

Duncan: That because she never saw it.

Duncan: It was never realtor.

Duncan: So this idea of Pete needs to.

Duncan: Pete needs to put his dad into the ice,

Duncan: which, by the way, they juxtapote like when

Duncan: he's digging the ice and you get the

Duncan: juxtaposition of the shot of, like Hank

Duncan: Drilling nice to save his son from that

Duncan: memory is Fucking, yes, kiss, you know your

Duncan: dad dug through the ice to save your life.

Duncan: You're digging the ice to bury your fucking

Duncan: dad.

Duncan: It's just so good man.

Duncan: But yeah, pete, put some in there.

Duncan: I put you like.

Duncan: Peace, just like.

Duncan: Oh well, that's the worst of that.

Bo: Yeah, where's this like?

Bo: Oh, Let me let me make, let me just check

Bo: you right now.

Bo: Wait, she sits down.

Bo: She says, yep, you're probably thinking the

Bo: worst part's done, it's not.

Bo: Yeah, what comes after forever?

Bo: That's the worst part.

Duncan: So there's a couple of ways to look at this.

Duncan: Right, the the easiest, most superficial

Duncan: way of looking at this is that he used to

Duncan: live with the fact that he killed his dad,

Duncan: right, and has like, not kill these dad,

Duncan: but hid hidden these dad and this case will

Duncan: never be solved, like the hangs bodies

Duncan: never gonna be found, I'll never be solved.

Duncan: The other way to look at it is when people

Duncan: dying in is to come back as ghosts, and

Duncan: that could be a very literal meaning of

Duncan: Hanks probably gonna come back as a ghost

Duncan: now and if he's gonna visit anyone, most

Duncan: likely gonna visit you.

Duncan: So it's just something you're gonna have to

Duncan: kind of get used to.

Bo: You've done the work to earn your, your

Bo: ghostly visit from Hank, the ghost of

Bo: murder past.

Duncan: Yeah, lazy song of doom and gloom and God

Duncan: for boarding and paint your rooms blue.

Bo: But?

Bo: But then they look up at the sky and the

Bo: aurora borealis is is shining above them.

Bo: I love this, like the storms over and it

Bo: comes up right in the screen first of

Bo: January, january 1st, 15th day of night,

Bo: and, and, and then we go back to Salal

Bo: where Navarro and Danvers are looking out

Bo: the window and they see the storm has

Bo: passed and like, hey, we can go now.

Bo: Yeah, and there's a great moment where they

Bo: Danvers is like, hey, happy, happy new year.

Bo: Doctor of Lecter.

Bo: Yeah, and of our, they've got the bus on

Bo: whiskey there, yeah, and Danvers like in as

Bo: close as we get to like a genuinely

Bo: emotional moment.

Bo: But between these characters.

Bo: Danvers says if you ever do go for that,

Bo: walk doctor like her, try to come back.

Bo: Yeah.

Bo: And Navarro is like, yeah, I'm just I gotta

Bo: do something, cuz I've the whole time I

Bo: felt like Navarro Hanging on I'm sorry,

Bo: I've been.

Bo: I felt like Clark holding on to that hatch,

Bo: yeah, while something above me is trying to

Bo: open it Immediately.

Bo: Danvers is like what the fuck you just say?

Bo: And she's like, yeah, that I feel like like

Bo: Clark hanging on to the latch and she's

Bo: like shut up, we gotta go do thing.

Bo: And then she does like make.

Bo: She basically makes some Like homemade

Bo: luminol.

Duncan: Yeah, homemade liminal and chemicals that

Duncan: like.

Duncan: I love Jody Foster and she's like she

Duncan: doesn't carefully spray on.

Duncan: She pours this motherfucker all over, right,

Duncan: and she's like get a UV light, right, yeah,

Duncan: she's not fucking around.

Bo: And then, sure enough, as you know you, you

Bo: brought up the last episode.

Bo: Three, right, one of the handprints is

Bo: missing fingers.

Bo: And that's where we get Foster saying we

Bo: were asking the wrong question, doctor

Bo: Lector, not who killed Annie Kaye, but who

Bo: knows who killed her?

Bo: Yeah, and and then, duncan, we go, we drive

Bo: to the end of the episode.

Bo: We literally jump in a car and drive to the

Bo: end of the episode, which is, which is the,

Bo: a woman named Beatrice, the cleaner that we

Bo: talked to, the one who said they don't pay

Bo: attention.

Duncan: Like this all.

Duncan: It makes so much that the introduction to

Duncan: this character Was she beating the shit out

Duncan: of this guy because he ladies hand, ladies

Duncan: hands on the woman with three fingers.

Duncan: So she, she fucking laid him out, and and

Duncan: then about.

Bo: She is just, she is a lady justice, she is

Bo: being the show, she's the dark night ball

Bo: Like well, and and she's also the one who

Bo: said when, when they're asking about the

Bo: selloz station, and she's like nobody ever

Bo: talked to us, because nobody talks to the

Bo: cleaners.

Duncan: Yeah, she's also that.

Duncan: She's also the character when we're like

Duncan: does the symbol mean anything to you?

Duncan: She's like Blair, does this mean?

Duncan: She's been all the way through this series.

Duncan: She's been that they've spoken to more than

Duncan: once, will be down to see them more than

Duncan: once.

Duncan: He's packed, has appeared more than once.

Duncan: The evidence was there on the clothes, out

Duncan: in the ice, of someone with three fingers.

Duncan: But we very much, like the detectives, were

Duncan: never asking the right question, bow, and

Duncan: we disregarded plain fucking evidence in

Duncan: front of her eyes.

Duncan: So, yeah, so they arrive at our house and a

Duncan: lot.

Duncan: This, this scene is fucking amazing because

Duncan: it starts off yeah, we just beat us and the

Duncan: women with three fingers right, and they're

Duncan: like can we come in and talk to you?

Bo: like, yeah, well, to get it, I mean at

Bo: first is Jody Foster and then there's a

Bo: roll out and yeah, go on, now we will pick

Bo: her, and, but it's, it's Navarro who

Bo: introduces.

Duncan: Well, she, like I, asked before about what

Duncan: her name was and she didn't know and she

Duncan: says my name is Angeline, like Sinichcock.

Bo: Navarro, yeah, and the woman's like us, and

Bo: it's cocked, that was my Aka's name.

Bo: And Navarro says, well, do you know what it

Bo: means?

Bo: And Beatrice tells her well, it means the

Bo: return of the Sun after the darkness.

Bo: And then she kind of more readily, invites

Bo: them in.

Bo: It's like okay, now, now that we've

Bo: established that, let's, let's have a seat,

Bo: and well, so now that we've established

Bo: that, let's tell you how everything went

Bo: down.

Duncan: Yeah right, and she.

Bo: She says, yeah, well, you know, here's the

Bo: thing.

Bo: I can tell a story.

Bo: Yeah, but like now, whether this is how it

Bo: happened, yeah, who's to say is one of the

Bo: clue and right.

Duncan: It could have happened this way, but maybe

Duncan: it happened like this.

Bo: And she says, you know, like hey, because

Bo: of the way that native people are treated,

Bo: it's the same story over and over again.

Bo: And she says so we decided we were gonna,

Bo: we were gonna tell her own story and this

Bo: is our story goes, which is after spilling

Bo: some mop water at the Solol station and

Bo: seeing it go down this hatch, she goes down

Bo: and discovers the weapon that killed Annie

Bo: Kay.

Bo: They also find these documents that were

Bo: the documents that Annie Kay was looking

Bo: for.

Bo: That proves that Solol was not just

Bo: Covering up pollution.

Bo: They were encouraging the mine, yeah, to

Bo: pollute more so that they could soften the

Bo: permafrost and get their samples.

Duncan: There's also proves that scientists don't

Duncan: learn from the mistakes.

Duncan: I'd be I don't know, I would have changed

Duncan: tools, I would have locked away that

Duncan: material, though, and, I don't know, maybe

Duncan: tiny duck my notes, I don't know done some

Duncan: things just so, just in cases never happens

Duncan: again we have to murder another woman.

Duncan: Maybe we I don't know maybe we put some

Duncan: steps in like I don't know, like a padlock

Duncan: on the latch and or something, but yeah, so

Duncan: they find it.

Bo: but I love this because there's a network

Bo: of cleaners, and well in Danvers asked her

Bo: like well, why didn't you report all this?

Bo: And she says well, because nothing would

Bo: have changed.

Bo: Like we this?

Bo: This is the story.

Bo: We know is that we do this thing and

Bo: nothing changes.

Bo: So we told them, we told ourselves another

Bo: story, yeah, and this is we get.

Duncan: Yeah, we get like we got a cleaner actually

Duncan: in the police station.

Duncan: The police station cleaner.

Duncan: She's looking through the crime scene

Duncan: things.

Duncan: She's matching the wounds to the like to

Duncan: make sure they're right here and they're

Duncan: working it through.

Duncan: So, yeah, essentially the they set up

Duncan: everything.

Duncan: But while they're telling this story why

Duncan: she's telling this story More women start

Duncan: coming in, one at a time.

Bo: Until there's what like a dozen people in

Bo: this room.

Bo: Yeah, besides the cops.

Duncan: Yeah, like because you're thinking it's a

Duncan: how could they overpower these seven guys?

Duncan: Well, it turns out.

Duncan: Well, if there's a dozen of you and you

Duncan: know where everything is in a facility, you

Duncan: can just walk in and switch the fucking

Duncan: power off.

Bo: Turn off the power, show up with some guns

Bo: and they basically just heard them into the

Bo: back of a truck, yeah, and.

Duncan: Meanwhile, like they're trying, the, the

Duncan: trying, they see the main scientist trying

Duncan: to get in the hatch.

Duncan: So they know someone's in the hatch, which

Duncan: is how the handprints get the other

Duncan: basically trying to.

Duncan: You know, jimmy, the hatch up but they

Duncan: couldn't do it.

Duncan: So that explains the noise there.

Duncan: But they basically heard them into a

Duncan: fucking container, in a vehicle and drive

Duncan: them out into the middle of the snow.

Bo: And so they say well, so in this story, yes,

Bo: you killed them.

Bo: And she's like no, no, no, we didn't kill

Bo: them, they killed themselves.

Bo: When they killed her daughter in her home,

Bo: yeah, they woke her up.

Bo: What we did is we forced them into strip

Bo: and then march them toward her, yeah, and

Bo: like, put the spirals on their heads and

Bo: shit like that.

Duncan: So this is the.

Duncan: The the they they're talking about is the

Duncan: entity that Darwin drew at the beginning

Duncan: Sing.

Duncan: It's not Sengar, whatever it is, but

Duncan: basically the Entity that doesn't have any

Duncan: fingers bleeds from them, that is goddess

Duncan: of the sea and fishing, all the rest.

Duncan: And they'll like that.

Duncan: Like we marched them out there, their

Duncan: clothes were there.

Duncan: Yeah, like they wanted it.

Duncan: Any time they could have come back and put

Duncan: their clothes on, or she could claim them,

Duncan: and turns out she claimed them.

Bo: Yeah, and we write the way she puts it,

Bo: because again, another great fucking line,

Bo: because Danvers, I think, is the one who

Bo: answers like so they didn't come back, why

Bo: don't?

Bo: Or why don't you think they came back?

Bo: Then and she says well, I guess she ate

Bo: their fucking dreams from the inside out

Bo: and spit their frozen bones.

Bo: But that's just a story.

Bo: It's like oh man, that is one of the most

Bo: metal things I've ever heard.

Bo: Somebody they're fucking dreams eaten from

Bo: the inside out and spit out their frozen

Bo: bones like and and and.

Bo: So, after saying this, like there's a real,

Bo: like pregnant pause between them of like

Bo: alright, what's the next move?

Duncan: Yeah, there's a real pregnant pause of

Duncan: there's 12 women who have just told us a

Duncan: story about how they Can, what basically

Duncan: sent seven murderers to their death, and

Duncan: there's two of us and we're a little bit of

Duncan: number to you.

Duncan: What I love about this Danvers is so good

Duncan: man and like she's like she.

Duncan: She has the Ripley response to this.

Duncan: You know, like we'll just look it from

Duncan: orbit just to be sure.

Duncan: Like she's like that, while we just want to

Duncan: come here and tell you that the case is

Duncan: closed.

Duncan: It was an Arctic slide landslide and that's

Duncan: what killed the scientists and we just

Duncan: thought, because they were your employers

Duncan: and employed, you cleaned up there.

Duncan: That you just might want to know about that.

Duncan: Yeah, it's good that the level of genius

Duncan: fuckery here that Danvers pulls off is is

Duncan: 5d chess.

Duncan: Right, because basically what she is doing

Duncan: is she is using the mine, forced the police

Duncan: to close this case with a bullshit

Duncan: reasoning.

Duncan: Right, to fuck Danvers and that

Duncan: investigation over and, by the very same

Duncan: token, she's going to burn down the fucking

Duncan: mine.

Duncan: Right, when this information comes out,

Duncan: which will get more real as to how they're

Duncan: gonna do that, but when she's sitting on

Duncan: the, we know stuff that this is being done,

Duncan: or all the rest, and you know what?

Duncan: I Can just close this case as well, and

Duncan: I'll just use the same bullshit, because

Duncan: you've closed it for me so nice and easy.

Duncan: And what happened?

Bo: just this has been served in this story and

Bo: they look so Danvers Gives up the like.

Bo: Well, we just thought you'd be interested.

Bo: Dr Lecter's and.

Duncan: Like she gets ready, so she basically goes

Duncan: out.

Duncan: But, boy, if you're me, and Navarro in this

Duncan: case, like you're like that, so the tongue.

Bo: First.

Bo: First, navarro says they, because they ask

Bo: her like what do you think about this?

Bo: And she says you know, stories are stories,

Bo: that everybody's got them, that's fine.

Bo: And but yeah, so Beatrice gives her like

Bo: this, really like friendly Pat, like hey,

Bo: you know, you're kind of one of us sort of

Bo: thing, yeah, and but yes, that's where

Bo: Navarro asked about the tongue and she's

Bo: like I don't have any idea.

Duncan: Yeah, did you put the tongue there so we'd

Duncan: like the cases or whatever, and she's like

Duncan: that?

Duncan: No, I think about.

Duncan: There's nothing about a tongue in our story.

Bo: Yeah and which, again, you know, this is

Bo: the realm of the unreliable narrator, does

Bo: she, does she not?

Bo: Who knows?

Bo: Yeah, but then we get Kind of our coda on

Bo: this whole story, which takes place on

Bo: March 12th, the first long day of the year.

Bo: It's the first sunshine we've seen since

Bo: the beginning of the first episode, which

Bo: is yeah, and we get a very true detective

Bo: trope.

Duncan: That has not been all the way.

Duncan: In this one we get the interview of the

Duncan: police officer who attended the thing,

Duncan: which I kind of love.

Duncan: This I kind of love being in this Because

Duncan: also if you watch true detective like that

Duncan: season that everyone loves as well that

Duncan: show opens with the detective being

Duncan: interviewed, so I kind of love this.

Duncan: One closes with a detective being

Duncan: interviewed in sunshine and it's a is

Duncan: Danvers and she's being.

Duncan: She's been interrogated by two guys that

Duncan: just want to know what happened a couple of

Duncan: months ago.

Bo: Yeah, like internal investigations or

Bo: whatever.

Duncan: Well, it's primarily they're trying to work

Duncan: out what happened with Otis Heiss and Hank

Duncan: Right and well, and she says well.

Bo: you know, based on all observations, it

Bo: seems like it was a deal gone bad, dr

Bo: Elector, where Hank must have gotten into a

Bo: scrape and then he killed Otis and in the

Bo: attempt to hide that body he disappeared.

Duncan: because Hank is fucking useless Hank has

Duncan: been caught on camera following Danvers

Duncan: from the lighthouse fucking moron.

Bo: She says you know, well, you know, we'll

Bo: find the bodies in this in the spring.

Bo: We always do, yeah, unless we.

Bo: And and then this is where Pete comes in

Bo: bringing her coffee, yeah, and she's like

Bo: well, as you know, this is his son.

Bo: He was out looking for his father and we

Bo: all feel, you know, pretty touched about

Bo: that, dr Elector.

Bo: And so then they then they ask her well,

Bo: don't you think it's kind of strange that

Bo: Clark died Exactly like all the others,

Bo: kind of on your watch and she's like it is

Bo: odd?

Duncan: Yes, it is very strange, but you know some

Duncan: questions, just don't have answers.

Bo: dr Elector, yeah, and Then they're like all

Bo: right, all right, fine, but what about

Bo: Navarro?

Bo: Yeah, and she's like, well, you know, some

Bo: people come to Alaska to escape something

Bo: and While she's telling them, you know the,

Bo: you know getting the, the VO, why?

Duncan: don't you tell them that lane we get while

Duncan: she's telling them her story?

Bo: Yes, the real story is she goes to

Bo: Navarro's place, finds only this stuffed

Bo: bear.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: We cut over to Kovic, who finds the his

Bo: toothbrush brought back to him.

Bo: Yeah, and Danvers is like.

Bo: You know, some people are looking for

Bo: something and you know, I believe that

Bo: Eventually Navarro found what she was

Bo: looking for.

Bo: And it's Navarro, like we get a cut to her,

Bo: just staring off into the wilds of Alaska.

Bo: Yeah and just starting off.

Bo: But back at her house there is a phone that

Bo: has a video confession from Clark saying

Bo: here is the shit that we pulled along with

Bo: Silver Sky Mines.

Bo: Yeah and we get a quick shot of like a

Bo: native dude who's just from the very

Bo: beginning.

Duncan: Yes, it was hunting the Carabou or whatever.

Duncan: It was right in the very opening scene.

Duncan: But this time he's walking past Just like

Duncan: an abandoned main.

Duncan: Yeah, the government closed this fucker

Duncan: down quick.

Bo: And and they're like so you've seen the?

Bo: They're asking Danvers, these investigators,

Bo: so you've seen the Clark video?

Bo: And she's like, well, sure, who hasn't seen

Bo: the Clark video?

Bo: Doctor, lector?

Bo: But no, who leaked it?

Bo: I don't know, somebody did, but who knows?

Bo: Yeah, and they're like, well, what are you

Bo: gonna do next?

Bo: And she says, look, this is in this.

Bo: This, this town is.

Bo: It was here before we got here.

Bo: It was here before this place was even

Bo: called Alaska.

Bo: It's gonna be here after us.

Bo: So I'm gonna show up and we'll do my job.

Duncan: What else?

Bo: is there doctor Lector?

Duncan: And then we just ask the ask about could

Duncan: she explain how people claim that they

Duncan: still see Navarro from time to time, like

Duncan: kind of the insinuation being that she

Duncan: might live out on the ice?

Duncan: But that's not how I take this, because at

Duncan: the very end of this one we got a shot of

Duncan: her and Leah and who they've kind of grown

Duncan: together.

Duncan: Now they're eating sandwiches and laughing

Duncan: in the car and then we go to Danvers home

Duncan: at the end.

Bo: Well now first there's Pete, who is

Bo: sleeping with his kid, but there's an

Bo: expression on his face that says he is

Bo: fucked for life.

Duncan: Yeah, he's like.

Duncan: He's like.

Duncan: He now clocks and clocks out.

Duncan: You know what I mean.

Duncan: He ain't doing anything above what he needs

Duncan: to.

Duncan: He is no longer asking the right questions.

Duncan: He is doing the bare minimum for his job

Duncan: and holding on tightly to his family,

Duncan: holding on clinging to his son.

Duncan: And then we jump to Danvers at home, out on

Duncan: our balcony, and as she's sitting on our

Duncan: balcony, navarro appears as an apparition

Duncan: standing at the side, smiling at her.

Duncan: The thing you to believe that maybe she

Duncan: committed suicide or maybe she didn't.

Bo: The last lines of the whole season are when

Bo: she says, when they ask her, like, do you

Bo: think that people are seeing Navarro out

Bo: there?

Bo: And she says I believe that eventually,

Bo: navarro is not out on that ice, but this is

Bo: in us.

Bo: Nobody ever really leaves Dr Lector, and

Bo: that's where we get this moment of them on

Bo: the deck.

Bo: And so I'm of two minds about this.

Bo: Here's what I truly believe is that, yes,

Bo: this is an apparition that she sees,

Bo: because and but not in an unfriendly way,

Bo: like this is not.

Bo: This is that comfort that Navarro kind of

Bo: talks about, like there's something bigger

Bo: out there and you can take some comfort for

Bo: that, because you know Holden is watching.

Bo: Now, theoretically, navarro is kind of

Bo: watching and looking out for Danvers, yep,

Bo: and she did what she was asked.

Bo: Like.

Duncan: Danvers said to her if you go out in the

Duncan: ice, come back.

Duncan: And I think that come back is not literally

Duncan: physically come back, and it's more

Duncan: spiritually don't leave.

Bo: Right.

Bo: And so the other, the other, read that I've.

Bo: I haven't read up on this, but it's just

Bo: one of those things of like oh okay, I

Bo: could see where this could be.

Bo: On interpretation.

Duncan: They say.

Duncan: They say on the show that people go out and

Duncan: live on the ice.

Duncan: We've already met three characters that

Duncan: lived in like compounds out there, so it is

Duncan: also totally believable that she lives a

Duncan: life off the fucking grid.

Bo: And we also know that.

Bo: This is where my read of it gets a little

Bo: strange.

Bo: We also know that Navarro is bisexual.

Duncan: Yes.

Bo: And so there is a read for me where, oh,

Bo: this is just them ultimately ending up

Bo: together as a couple.

Duncan: Yeah.

Bo: Because there's no all right.

Bo: So, duncan, here's the thing I fucking love

Bo: about this episode is that could be true.

Bo: It could be a spirit.

Bo: We don't fully understand exactly what

Bo: happened at the car accident with Jodie

Bo: Foster and the kid.

Bo: We just know that it's.

Bo: It's haunted her Yep.

Bo: Even though we got answers to the Wheeler

Bo: thing, there's still.

Bo: There are still questions about what.

Bo: What that investigate or not investigation,

Bo: but like what?

Bo: What kind of psychic damage that still has

Bo: for Navarro or Danvers?

Duncan: We never found out what the woman whose

Duncan: head was blown off in the war scene said to

Duncan: Navarro Navarro.

Duncan: What does she wish for?

Duncan: We don't get.

Duncan: And you know what, bro?

Bo: I don't think everything needs to be like

Bo: 100%, 100% because you know, like it's what

Bo: Danvers says, like not everything has a

Bo: clean answer, and I like the fact that

Bo: there's there's sort of this messiness of,

Bo: yeah, apparently there is something

Bo: supernatural out on the eyes.

Bo: Yeah, like that is the reason, like there's

Bo: no other explanation, even hinted at in the

Bo: show, other than like, hey, there was

Bo: pollutants and stuff like that, but that's

Bo: like there is more direct evidence for the

Bo: supernatural than there is of that.

Duncan: At least this is how I know that, like true,

Duncan: like true detective fans, you know the

Duncan: hardcore ones just don't get horror right

Duncan: at all, because if you've seen Tigers are

Duncan: not afraid, there is a ton of like this.

Duncan: Is that actually a very Tigers is not

Duncan: afraid?

Duncan: Ending, it's that level of ambiguity of

Duncan: like yes spirituality and all the rest is

Duncan: wrapped up, then some things are just

Duncan: bigger than us.

Bo: Yeah, yeah, yeah and yeah, I just I really

Bo: I really adored the ending of this.

Bo: I thought it.

Bo: I thought it was kind of heartfelt in a way

Bo: that I almost didn't expect it to be as

Bo: like poignant as it was, even though

Bo: there's this her petty.

Duncan: That's what she does, that's like, that's

Duncan: what I'm saying, like her previous work to

Duncan: this is Tigers are not afraid, which it was

Duncan: a movie that I was in cinema with grown men

Duncan: who were fucking crying.

Duncan: Yeah, that's how powerful she does it in

Duncan: the mute.

Duncan: The choice of score, the way it's set up,

Duncan: jody Foster's delivery of those lines at

Duncan: the very end, it's just, it's just there.

Duncan: And I think I come at the end of this and

Duncan: you didn't like this.

Duncan: I just don't think you like TV, if I'm

Duncan: honest.

Duncan: Yeah, I just don't get the complete of

Duncan: anyone.

Duncan: Yes, this is awful, which is what I've read.

Duncan: Like this is awful TV, this is an awful

Duncan: season.

Duncan: Like that.

Duncan: I just don't like.

Duncan: I don't think you ever came into this with

Duncan: an open mind, like at all.

Duncan: You think you came in wanting the thing

Duncan: that you saw a decade ago yeah, I mean that

Duncan: first season it's a decade ago Like that's,

Duncan: that's what you've, that's what you wanted,

Duncan: and I just don't.

Duncan: To me, this one, weirdly, is the most

Duncan: heartfelt of all of them.

Duncan: Maybe take the crown of season three.

Duncan: Season three ended with a very emotional

Duncan: end, with him out with his family and

Duncan: friends and everyone's all there together

Duncan: and they're having a barbecue on the porch

Duncan: and he sees everyone, like his daughters,

Duncan: come back to him and all the rest.

Duncan: I mean, I don't.

Duncan: I'm looking at this and I'm like that.

Duncan: This one has more ambiguity than that.

Duncan: It has more heart.

Duncan: It's a fucking great ending To me, like as

Duncan: Reads go, I think Navarro died, but I, I, I

Duncan: I think in the last scene she's wearing the

Duncan: same clothes that she was wearing when she

Duncan: walked into the ice.

Duncan: That was my take on it, but I love the idea

Duncan: that she's there with her at the end,

Duncan: however, that is in person, as a partner or

Duncan: as a as a spirit.

Duncan: I fucking love the ending.

Duncan: I think it.

Duncan: I think it lands so strong.

Duncan: This is why those ones that you know it's

Duncan: it's.

Duncan: It's a gymnast doing all those flips and

Duncan: twirls that don't mean shit.

Duncan: If they don't land with two feet stationary

Duncan: in the ground at the end they're going to

Duncan: get mocked down, and this one might be

Duncan: messy.

Duncan: It may have missed a couple of grabs, but

Duncan: this season landed two feet fucking square

Duncan: on the mat at the end, so loved it.

Bo: Yeah, I agree.

Bo: Yeah, Terrific season, as always, a great

Bo: time.

Bo: Um well, you know.

Bo: As for what comes next, we'll figure it out.

Bo: We got some peak panther.

Bo: We got, we got uh, there's a whole season

Bo: of slasher.

Duncan: We haven't had to do slasher first, because

Duncan: the thought of going off and watching I

Duncan: don't know some inspector Cluso finding a

Duncan: bit of joy in my life and then having to

Duncan: sit down and do slasher is just like.

Duncan: It's a pain that I don't want.

Duncan: So we may have to.

Duncan: We may have to just rip the bandaid off,

Duncan: get right through fucking slasher and then

Duncan: get like some joy at the end of it.

Duncan: I don't know, I don't know.

Bo: We'll, we'll, we'll, figure it out though.

Duncan: So, rather than later and we've got to be

Duncan: back though and hopefully the listeners out

Duncan: there have enjoyed our take and we are in a

Duncan: position now that we can very comfortably

Duncan: say that DBCC will be back and in our

Duncan: horizon future we have a new season of the

Duncan: terror that's been commissioned that we

Duncan: will cover, and a new season of true

Duncan: detective, which, by the way, we will also

Duncan: cover.

Bo: That, yes, exactly right.

Bo: So, uh, I gotta tell you, uh, just tell me,

Bo: no, no, no, no.

Bo: I was just going to say, like uh, through,

Bo: through sheer attrition, Uh, it turns out

Bo: that, uh, the third episode, uh, is still

Bo: the highest rated of this season so far.

Bo: Um, but I I predict that the finale is

Bo: going to be a banger.

Duncan: Um, yeah, I predict to riot.

Duncan: I well look, let's see how the votes turn

Duncan: out, you know, what I'm saying Uh look, I

Duncan: look, I've got water.

Bo: I'm storing water now.

Bo: That's where I am.

Bo: That's why I got the second dog uh, just

Bo: for protection, Although, based on

Bo: everything I've seen so far, not not much

Bo: protection.

Bo: No, very, very.

Bo: I'm about to have to give him a bath.

Bo: That's, that's about to be the thing that

Bo: happens.

Bo: Uh, so, uh, yes, Duncan, where can people

Bo: find more out of you between now and when

Bo: next we talk here on DBCC?

Duncan: Uh, you can find me on podcast under the

Duncan: stairs Tputscast.com, wherever you listen

Duncan: to the podcast under the stairs on

Duncan: YouTube.

Duncan: Uh, the next big thing from me will be a

Duncan: lot of talk and a lot of coverage in the

Duncan: next week and a half of Glasgow fright fest,

Duncan: where I will be taking in 11 horror movies

Duncan: and for some reason I did not notice this.

Duncan: Uh, the festival is opening on the Friday

Duncan: with the brand new film from the French duo

Duncan: behind inside and Levite uh, who are coming

Duncan: out with a movie called I think it's called

Duncan: the soul eater Uh, which I was like okay if

Duncan: you say so, it's about a nine to five job

Duncan: in an office.

Duncan: Amen, brother, amen, um.

Duncan: So yeah, I'll be.

Duncan: I'll be doing a little bit of a chat on

Duncan: that one, which I'm very much looking

Duncan: forward to, because you never really know

Duncan: what you're going to get from fright fest.

Duncan: Some of it's good, some of it's bad, some

Duncan: of it is uh is, a bit iffy.

Duncan: Let me give you a little rundown on the

Duncan: synopsis for the movie, though.

Duncan: See if it tickles your fan.

Duncan: So this is the.

Duncan: This is the UK premier, the soul eater.

Duncan: Uh, two detectives with entirely different

Duncan: work methods are sent to a sleepy French

Duncan: mountain town, of whatever French name that

Duncan: is.

Duncan: This could be a true detective.

Bo: I was just thinking, this sounds very true.

Duncan: detective One is investigating the series

Duncan: of gruesome deaths, the other is searching

Duncan: for some missing local children.

Duncan: Soon they realize that their cases are

Duncan: connected by an old folklore legend of a

Duncan: malevolent creature.

Duncan: The story of the soul eater is terrifying

Duncan: Incarnation of the soul eater from

Duncan: co-directors Julianne Moray and Alexandra

Duncan: Bastilleau who, as part of the Vanguard of

Duncan: French extreme similar, brought you inside

Duncan: Levite among the living in the deep house.

Duncan: Now they unleash their most devilish and

Duncan: sinister creation.

Duncan: Yet to shock, horror and surprise Tragedy,

Duncan: torture, child endangerment, sexual

Duncan: violence and consistent threat.

Duncan: Oh, so I.

Duncan: So inside, right?

Bo: All of my favorites.

Duncan: So yeah, so I'll feed back on that.

Duncan: So there you go.

Bo: All right, what about you, bo?

Bo: What you got coming up soon?

Bo: We are about to launch into some Asian

Bo: horror on dark parade, a fairly obscure

Bo: Kyoshi Kurosawa film called Sweet Home.

Duncan: I've never seen.

Duncan: I will be super curious about that one

Duncan: because I love Kurosawa's work.

Bo: So the reason apparently it's getting a

Bo: remaster and one of its claims to fame is

Bo: that apparently the director of the video

Bo: game Resident Evil said that it was the

Bo: inspiration for that game.

Bo: Oh, wow, so I'm curious to see it on a

Bo: number of levels Thanks to that.

Bo: So, yeah, so that's coming up, and then,

Bo: you know, other dumb shit will just keeps

Bo: going, more dumb stuff.

Bo: Oh, I do hard of horror.

Bo: We're going to do near dark.

Bo: That's recording tomorrow.

Duncan: Oh nice.

Bo: And talking, you know, because it's an

Bo: excuse to come up with a theme, right, and

Bo: so we're going to be talking about going on

Bo: vacation with a loved one or potential

Bo: loved one and how that's usually a terrible

Bo: idea.

Bo: So, yeah, so that's coming up and yeah, so

Bo: you know, check that on on dark parade.

Bo: In the meantime, duncan, the only thing

Bo: left to do for this season of true

Bo: detective is to say to my good friend

Bo: Duncan say good night, duncan.

Duncan: To my good friend Duncan say good night,

Duncan: duncan.

Duncan: Nice.